Finding the phase angle in simple harmonic motion

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The discussion revolves around a problem in simple harmonic motion involving a block attached to a spring. The original poster seeks to find the phase angle after calculating the amplitude, but encounters difficulties with their initial answer.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the phase angle using the initial conditions of the system and the velocity equation for simple harmonic motion. Some participants suggest re-evaluating the calculations for accuracy, while others question the assumptions made regarding the signs and constants in the equations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the calculations and exploring the implications of sign errors. There is recognition of potential inaccuracies in the original poster's computations, and some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the phase angle.

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Participants note the importance of precision in calculations, as small rounding errors can significantly affect the results. The original poster also expresses confusion regarding the presence of an additive constant in their calculations.

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A frictionless block of mass 2.35 kg is attached to an ideal spring with force constant 310 N/m. At t=0 the spring is neither stretched nor compressed and the block is moving in the negative direction at a speed of 12.6 m/s.

1. Find the amplitude.

I got this without a problem. I used the formula A = square root of [tex]x_i^2[/tex] + [tex]v_i^2[/tex]/[tex]\omega^2[/tex]. [tex]\omega = \sqrt{k/m} = 11.49[/tex] rad/s. Plugging in known values results in 1.10 m, which is correct.

2. Find the phase angle.

Here's where I don't know why my answer is not correct.

I use the equation [tex]v_i = -\omega * A * sin(\omega*t + \phi)[/tex]. I know the initial velocity, I know the angular frequency, and I know the amplitude. I'm solving for the angle in radians.

[tex]-12.6 = -(11.49)(1.10)(sin(\phi)[/tex] This is at time t, so [tex]\omega * t[/tex] = 0.

I get [tex]\phi = 85.5 ^\circ[/tex]. Converting it into radians, it's 1.49 (rad).

This isn't right, though.
 
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If your numbers were computed a bit more accurately, you'd get:
[tex]-12.6 = - (12.6) \sin \phi[/tex], or
[tex]1 = \sin \phi[/tex], thus [tex]\phi = \pi /2[/tex] (radians)
 
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My response is, "My answer is off by an additive constant."

I'm solving for a phase angle here, [tex]\phi[/tex]. What additive constant could possibly exist?
 
I messed up the sign in my previous post (D'oh!); your first answer was close. (See my correction.)
 
Thanks. My idea of direction was screwed up, but it didn't matter for the first part of the question because velocity is squared.

Round once too many and the error becomes greater than two percent. Argh.
 

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