Finding integral sin(x) cos(x) dx

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the function sin(x) cos(x) with respect to x. Participants are exploring various methods of integration, particularly integration by parts and substitution techniques.

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  • Participants discuss the use of integration by parts and express confusion about its application. Some suggest considering alternative methods, such as u-substitution or recognizing trigonometric identities, to simplify the integral.

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I'm having trouble with the following integral:
[tex]\int {\sin x \cdot \cos x{\rm{ dx}}}[/tex]
I've tried to use integration by parts but that doesn't seem to get me anywhere...any tips?
 
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I've tried to use integration by parts but that doesn't seem to get me anywhere
Seems to work for me... can you show your work?

Incidentally, there are two different ways to make this a trivial problem -- I don't really think I can hint at either without giving the answer away, so I'll just say to think about what you know about trig functions and integrals.

(And both of these ways are almost certainly shown in your book)
 
I define the following:
[tex] \[<br /> \begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {u' = - \sin x} & {v = \cos x} \\<br /> {u = \cos x} & {v' =- \sin x} \\<br /> \end{array}<br /> \][/tex]
Then I put this into the formula:
[tex] \[<br /> \begin{array}{l}<br /> \int {\sin x \cdot \cos xdx{\rm{ }} = uv - \int {uv'dx} } \\ <br /> = \cos x \cdot \cos x - \int {\cos x \cdot ( - \sin x)dx} \\ <br /> = \cos ^2 x - \int {\cos x \cdot ( - \sin x)dx} \\ <br /> \end{array}<br /> \][/tex]
This integration at the end is no easier than what I started with...so what's wrong here?
 
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Your v' is wrong.
 
How about U-substitution? What can you substitute for u? And du? (major hint)
 
Yeah ok, so it should be negative, it's fixed, but I'm not seeing that it makes it any easier though...am I even on the right track here?
 
It seems you made a mistake in your concept of integration by parts, but for this particular problem, it yielded the same result.

[tex]\int{udv}=uv-\int{vdu}[/tex]

It's minus the integral of v times du, not the other way around. But you don't need to do integration by parts here. A simple U-substitution will work.
 
Ah, I got it now. Thanks!
 
No prob. :)
 
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Once you get the sign right, you can solve the equation for the integral. (Remember that you can do a lot more to an equation than just simplifying the RHS)
 
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Try: u = sinx du = cosxdx
or try the fact that sin2x = 2sinxcosx
 

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