UK Winter of 1968: Will History Repeat Itself?

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The discussion revolves around predictions of a cold winter in the UK, referencing historical weather patterns from 1968. Participants explore the sources of long-range weather forecasts, the potential impact of the Gulf Stream, and the implications of a predicted three-day working week due to energy concerns. The conversation includes both humorous and serious takes on the topic, as well as personal weather experiences from different regions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the reliability of long-range forecasts and humorously suggests they might come from a Magic 8 Ball.
  • Another participant discusses the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) and its potential impact on winter weather patterns, noting that a weak NAO could lead to colder conditions in Western Europe.
  • Concerns are raised about the UK's marginal power output and whether predictions of a cold winter are overstated.
  • Several participants share observations about the Gulf Stream's effects on temperatures in the UK and other regions, noting its role in moderating winter temperatures.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the practicality of a three-day working week, suggesting it would lead to increased heating costs at home.
  • Personal weather experiences are shared, with participants commenting on current temperatures in their respective locations, including Florida and Germany.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reliability of weather forecasts or the implications of a colder winter. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the causes and effects of the predicted weather patterns.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the reliability of weather forecasting methods and the influence of climatic factors like the Gulf Stream, which remain unresolved. The conversation also reflects varying personal experiences with current weather conditions.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those curious about weather forecasting, climate patterns, and the potential socio-economic impacts of extreme weather in the UK and Europe.

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The daily express on its front page is predicting the coldest winter in the uk
since 1968, it states that gas ond other reserverves will not last and that a
3 day working week may be enforced.
Where do they get these long range forcasts from ?
 
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I think they use the Magic 8 Ball. Hmm, Magic 8 Ball, am I correct about this?

M8B: It is certain.

Well, the ball has spoken.
 
honestrosewater said:
I think they use the Magic 8 Ball. Hmm, Magic 8 Ball, am I correct about this?

M8B: It is certain.

Well, the ball has spoken.

Magic 8 ball speaks with forked tongue :smile:
 
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1819000,00.html

The idea is that the North Atlantic Oscillation flip flop is due for a strong negative flop that started early october and may remain negative a prolonged period.

http://www.expage.com/winter2005p2

A weak NAO tends to reduce the westerly flows, building high pressure areas around Greenland - Iceland - Ireland, this forces cold Arctic airmasses into western Europe.

But it's rather tentative.
 
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Thanks Andre, i wonder why we get this all the time, they were predicting the
same last year, are they just pointing out the uk power output is marginal in
any case ?
 
The Gulf Stream is one of the reasons why certain parts of the west of Britain and Ireland are an average of several degrees warmer than most other parts of those countries. Indeed, in Cornwall, and particularly the Isles of Scilly, its effects are such that plants associated with much warmer climates, such as palm trees, are able to survive the rigours of northern winters. Logan Botanic Garden in Scotland benefits strongly from the Gulf Stream, allowing their specimens of Gunnera manicata to grow to over 3 metres tall.

The effects of the Gulf Stream is also important further north. Average monthly temperatures in Røst and Værøy in Lofoten, Norway, inside the arctic circle, never drops below freezing in winter; this represents the worlds largest positive temperature anomaly relative to latitude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Stream

Just a note, it's feeling rather chilly here in certain parts of Florida already, and if the Gulf Stream is the main outlet for warmth for Europe... it wouldn't be unsual for it to be little more cool than usual.
 
motai said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Stream
Just a note, it's feeling rather chilly here in certain parts of Florida already, and if the Gulf Stream is the main outlet for warmth for Europe... it wouldn't be unsual for it to be little more cool than usual.

Thanks motai, chilly in Florida ? what would that be, below 80f ? :smile:
Right now we have one of the warmest Octobers for years, it is about
70f here, which is most unusual.
 
We had a lovely day today on the south coast, makes up for all the rain over monday and tuesday though. Think that forecast of a 3 day working week is pretty stupid idea, surely the more time people spend at work the less time they spend at home with the central heating on.
 
Well here in South Germany the weather was rather extreme as well, 20C or 68F, let me show one of the pictures I shot on my little mountain yesterday:
http://home.wanadoo.nl/bijkerk/Dsc00852-fs-t.JPG
 
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Nica pic Andre, i wish i had that kind of sceenery in my back yard :smile:
 
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wolram said:
The daily express on its front page is predicting the coldest winter in the uk
since 1968, it states that gas ond other reserverves will not last and that a
3 day working week may be enforced.
Where do they get these long range forcasts from ?

Thinking that getting colder will result in more Snow, i am looking forward to it *grin*
 

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