What Cold Weather Physics Experiments Can You Try in Alaska?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around potential physics experiments that can be conducted in cold weather conditions, specifically in Alaska where temperatures can reach -40 degrees. Participants explore various concepts related to temperature gradients and their applications in generating power, as well as other cold-weather experiments.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about interesting experiments suitable for cold weather, mentioning temperature gradients as a potential source of power.
  • Another participant suggests verifying the freezing point of mercury and measuring the speed of sound as possible experiments.
  • There is a suggestion that breaking materials in cold climates could yield interesting results.
  • Participants discuss the feasibility of using the temperature difference between -40 degrees outside and 68 degrees inside to generate power, with some expressing skepticism about the practicality of such an endeavor.
  • Thermocouples and thermopiles are mentioned as examples of devices that can harness temperature gradients for power generation.
  • One participant shares a personal experience with a lab involving the Seebeck effect, describing the generation of voltage through different materials in a temperature gradient setup.
  • Another participant clarifies the relationship between temperature differences and energy efficiency in engines, emphasizing that energy must still be supplied for the process to work.
  • Keywords such as Seebeck effect, thermoelectric effect, and Peltier effect are provided to assist in further research.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of curiosity and skepticism regarding the practicality of generating power from the temperature difference discussed. While some agree on the potential of temperature gradients, others highlight the need for energy input and the limitations of such experiments.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions and conditions related to the experiments, such as the need for energy input and the specific setups required for measuring temperature effects. There is also a lack of consensus on the feasibility of generating power in the described conditions.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to physics students, educators, and hobbyists looking for experimental ideas related to cold weather physics and thermoelectric applications.

Pythagorean
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I'm a physics major in Alaska, where it's not uncommon to have temperatures of -40.

Are there any interesting experiments or designs that I can do in my freetime that are convenient because of the cold weather?

I remember learning briefly about gradients being a source of power. If someone could give me a good keyword for that, I could better Google it (or look it up in my physics textbooks). Is the temp difference of -40 (outside) to 68 (inside my house) a large enough difference to even consider generating power (even if for fun).
 
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Please verify for us that mercury freezes at -38 F and measure the speed of sound! :)
 
Tide said:
Please verify for us that mercury freezes at -38 F and measure the speed of sound! :)

... or that warm water freezes faster than cold water. :)

Zz.
 
Breaking things has typically the best success ratio in cold climate.
 
Pythagorean said:
I'm a physics major in Alaska, where it's not uncommon to have temperatures of -40.
Are there any interesting experiments or designs that I can do in my freetime that are convenient because of the cold weather?
I remember learning briefly about gradients being a source of power. If someone could give me a good keyword for that, I could better Google it (or look it up in my physics textbooks). Is the temp difference of -40 (outside) to 68 (inside my house) a large enough difference to even consider generating power (even if for fun).

I didn't realize you were talking about Fahrenheit until I read you had 68 degrees indoors( Yes I have experienced outdoor temperatures close to -40 C )
 
Temperature gradients can most certainly be used as a "source of power" Thermocouples, and its cousin thermopiles, are an example of this.
 
-40c = -40f
 
pallidin said:
Temperature gradients can most certainly be used as a "source of power" Thermocouples, and its cousin thermopiles, are an example of this.


thank you, knowing the name always make googling easier :P
 
krab said:
-40c = -40f

:confused:
 
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whozum said:
:confused:

Yup, just do the conversion:

1. Shift zero point to that of the Celsius scale

-40oF - 32oF = -72oF

2. Convert to Celsius degrees

-72oF * 5oC/9oF = (-72/9)*5 oC = -40oC
 
  • #12
Pythagorean said:
...Is the temp difference of -40 (outside) to 68 (inside my house) a large enough difference to even consider generating power (even if for fun).

Might be an ideal application for a Sterling Engine.
 
  • #13
Pythagorean said:
Is the temp difference of -40 (outside) to 68 (inside my house) a large enough difference to even consider generating power (even if for fun).
Sure, but I hope you don't imagine that this gives energy for free. A large temperature difference makes an engine more efficient, but you still have to supply the energy. In this case, your furnace will be providing the energy, as the operation of the engine will take heat out of your house.
 
  • #14
krab said:
Sure, but I hope you don't imagine that this gives energy for free. A large temperature difference makes an engine more efficient, but you still have to supply the energy. In this case, your furnace will be providing the energy, as the operation of the engine will take heat out of your house.

Absolutely not! I'm willing to put energy into the experiment. I've been salvaging electronics from the dump, and usually, the components are good (I ignore the integrated circuits, aka circuitboards.)

I just have no idea how you would be able to even get a potential difference. What sucks is I did a lab where we did this with two wires (one silver and one copper), and a pot of boiling water as the hot end. The wires were somehow wired through a part of the pot with boiling so that the wires will conduct heat, and the ratio between their heat conductivity will generate a voltage.

I'm really shaky on this; I've looked it up, but I haven't nailed the right keyword yet. I can't even find it in my physics book, usind the index, thumbing through pages. As a matter of fact, I save my lab reports, and I can't find the particular lab I'm thinking of. It's almost as if I've dreamed it up! But I remember measuring a voltage across two different materials (both heat and electricity conductors) and there was a pot of boiling water involved!
 
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The keyword are Seebeck-effect, or thermoelectric effect, or Peltier effect (when you run it the other way around).

(It does not depend on the thermal conductivity.)
 
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