Question on how a radio transmits

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanisms of electromagnetic (EM) wave transmission in radio antennas, focusing on the behavior of electrons and photon emission during this process. Participants explore concepts related to frequency modulation, amplitude modulation, and the nature of EM radiation produced by oscillating charges.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the emission of photons when electrons jump to lower energy levels, suggesting that this relates to how radios transmit signals through amplitude modulation.
  • Another participant adds that EM radiation can also be produced by accelerating charges, such as electrons moving in a circular path or oscillating up and down, which is fundamental to antenna transmission.
  • A question is raised about whether charges emit radiation when they accelerate, decelerate, or both, to which a later reply confirms that both processes result in emission, differing only by a negative sign.
  • There is a query regarding the movement of free electrons in a radio antenna and whether they are responsible for transmission, with a response indicating that these electrons move due to an applied potential, similar to AC current in household wiring.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the role of accelerating charges in EM radiation production, but there are nuances regarding the specifics of electron movement and the mechanisms of photon emission that remain less clear and are subject to further exploration.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of electron movement and the relationship between photon emission and modulation techniques are not fully explored, leaving room for further clarification and discussion.

BigMacnFries
My understanding of EM wave emission on a particle level is that when an electron jumps to a lower energy level it emits a photon. The probability of where you will find this photon is described by a wave, so when you have a lot of photons you are safe to treat light as a wave (in most circumstances).
Radios work under frequency modulation or amplutude modulation. Say for amplutude modulation the frequency is constant and the strenght of the EM wave is varied. Does this mean on an emmission level the atoms in the metal are simultanously emitting a large amount of photons one microsecond then not as many photons the next microsecond. I am confused as to what goes on inside an antenna when a signal is transmitted.
 
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BigMacnFries said:
My understanding of EM wave emission on a particle level is that when an electron jumps to a lower energy level it emits a photon. The probability of where you will find this photon is described by a wave, so when you have a lot of photons you are safe to treat light as a wave (in most circumstances).

But this is NOT the only way to produce EM radiation. Put a bunch of electrons in a ring and make it go round and round, and you will also get EM radiation. Or make the electrons jiggle up and down. You get the same.

Accelerated charges radiate. This is the principle being used in antenna transmission. At the simplest and most naive case, you have current oscillating in an antenna, thus charges oscillating back and forth.

Zz.
 
Do charges emit when the deaccelarate, accelerate or both?
 
Both, the only difference between the two is a negative sign.
 
In a radio antenna is it the free electrons in the metal that move around in systematic ways to create the transmission, if so how do they move?
 
BigMacnFries said:
In a radio antenna is it the free electrons in the metal that move around in systematic ways to create the transmission, if so how do they move?

In metals (and antenna are usually made of metals), the "free" conduction electrons are the only ones that can move. How they move? Via the applied potential, the same way the AC current in your household wires moves.

Zz.
 

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