3 problems involving linear momentum

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The discussion revolves around three problems related to linear momentum, including calculations involving forces on rockets, the conservation of momentum in a railroad car scenario, and the emission of an alpha particle from an atomic nucleus.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply kinetic energy equations and conservation of momentum principles to solve the problems but expresses confusion about their calculations and the underlying concepts.
  • Some participants suggest using momentum conservation for the railroad car problem and question the interpretation of mass flow rate in the rocket problem.
  • Others explore the application of momentum conservation in the alpha particle emission scenario, raising questions about the signs of velocities and the treatment of momentum before and after the emission.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problems, offering insights into the application of momentum principles. Some guidance has been provided regarding the correct formulas and approaches, particularly for the railroad car and alpha particle problems. However, there is still uncertainty regarding the calculations and interpretations of certain variables.

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1) Calculate the force exerted on a rocket, given that the propelling gases are expelled at a rate of 1500 kg/s with a speed of 4.0 x 10^4 m/s (@ the moment of take off) Answer: 6.0 x 10^7 N

Okay I can not figure how to get an equation to use... Though I did noticed that the rate x the speed in this problem does in fact give you 6.0 x 10^7. Does that play a role? :confused:
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2) A 12,600 kg railroad car travels alone on a level frictionless track with a constant speed of 18 m/s. A 5350 kg load, intially at rest, is dropped on to the car. What will be the car's new speed? Answer: 12.6 m/s

So... here was my approach...

(Before) KE1 + KE2 ( = 0) = (after) KE1 + KE2
(1/2)(12600 kg)((18 m/s)^2) + 0 = (12600 +5350)(v^2)
sq root of 114 = 10.6 m/s... I am off by 2 numbers... did I do something wrong?

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3) An atomic nucleus intially moving @ 420 m/s emits an alpha particle in the direction of it's velocity, and the remaining nucleus slows to 350 m/s. If the alpha particle has a mass of 4.0 u and the original nucleus has a mass of 222 u what speed does the alpha particle have when it is emitted. Answer: 4.2 x 10^3 m/s

I did the same approach as above with Kinetic energies... Cannot figure out what I am doing wrong. Please help me.
 
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For the first one, it helps to remember that a Newton is a kgm/s^2 (think m*a). In other words, you just multiply them together.
 
For part two, momentum before = momentum after

mv + mv = (m+m)v

You should be able to figure out number 3 now.
 
But vertigo, is 1500 kg/s considered a mass? I was confused because masses aren't usually per anything.



2) mv + mv = (m+m)v
(12600 kg)(18m/s) + (5350 kg)(0 m/s) = (17950 kg)(v)
v= 12.6

So for number 3 do I apply the same logic, with momentums?
 
1500 kg/s is a rate of change of mass, like power is W = J/s, a rate of change of energy. (kg/s)(m/s) = kgms^-2 = N

Do you understand that formula for number 2? Numbers 2 and 3 are very similar, read them again.
 
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Yes, I know the formula in # 2 with momentum.

So for number three I get this...

mv + mv = mv +mv
(222 u)(420 m/s) + (4.0 u)v = (222 u)(350 m/s)

But that doesn't work...
 
I also tried the problem like this:

(222 u)(420 m/s) + (4.0 u)v = (222 -4 u)(350 m/s)
And I get -4.2 x 10^3 m/s... it is the correct answer just negative... Must I consider the v to be negative, that way I get a positive answer?
 
What is the total momentum before? What is the total momentum after?
 
Isn't that what I just stated? I alpha particle has none after.

Before........After
(222 u)(420 m/s) + (4.0 u)v = (222 -4 u)(350 m/s)
 
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The alpha particle does have a mometum afterwards.

You have a mass, 222, which splits into two separate masses, 218 and 4, with separate velocites.

The single mass is the before case. The two masses is the after case.
 
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(222 u)(420 m/s) = (218 u)(350 m/s) + (4.0 u)(v)
I understand it now. Thank you!

v = 4.2 x 10^3 m/s!
 

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