The First Weapon Of Mass Destruction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the characterization of Nazism as a weapon of mass destruction, exploring its relationship with capitalism and fascism. Participants debate the definitions of weapons, the nature of Nazi Germany's political and economic systems, and the implications of these classifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that Nazism represents a weapon of mass destruction, linking it to capitalism and asserting that it is a reactionary derivative of capitalist society.
  • Others contend that a weapon must be a specific physical item and challenge the notion of Nazism as a weapon, suggesting that the rise of Nazism is unrelated to capitalism.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between fascism and capitalism, with multiple participants asserting that Nazi Germany was fascist rather than capitalist, emphasizing the differences between these systems.
  • One participant introduces the idea that propaganda can be considered a weapon, broadening the definition beyond physical items.
  • A later reply humorously suggests that the human brain could be viewed as the first weapon of mass destruction, shifting the focus of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement on the definitions and relationships between Nazism, capitalism, and fascism. No consensus is reached regarding whether Nazism can be classified as a weapon of mass destruction or its connection to capitalism.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on varying definitions of weapons and political systems, leading to unresolved debates about the nature of Nazism and its economic implications. The discussion includes assumptions about the relationship between political ideologies and economic systems that remain unexamined.

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Nazism was the first weapon of mass destruction and it was levelled against communism in Germany and Europe. When the nazis were on the brink of power the ruling classes pushed them over the brink with their hatred, fear and derision of working class gains in Germany and Europe at the time. Rebellion to capitalism was spreading and the ruling classes wanted a solution. Nazism is a reactionary derivative of capitalism and nothing else. It only exists in capitalism. Malcolm X always said 'you can't have capitalism without racism'.
 
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That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. A weapon is a specific item. An object, not a concept.

And the rise of Naziism had/has nothing to do with capitalism.
 
A weapon is not just a physical item, ie; propaganda as a weapon. Something used to defeat an enemy. But let's not play semantics, it wasn't the nature of this thread. Nazism can only exist in a capitalist world. Tell me what mean when you say it has nothing to do with it?
 
Nazi Germany wasn't capitalist. It was fascist. There's a huge difference.
 
pi-r8 said:
Nazi Germany wasn't capitalist. It was fascist. There's a huge difference.
Fascism and Capitalism are hardly exclusive of each other.
 
pi-r8 said:
Nazi Germany wasn't capitalist. It was fascist. There's a huge difference.

Yah there is a huge difference. One is not even an economic system!
 
flotsam said:
A weapon is not just a physical item, ie; propaganda as a weapon. Something used to defeat an enemy. But let's not play semantics, it wasn't the nature of this thread. Nazism can only exist in a capitalist world. Tell me what mean when you say it has nothing to do with it?
That's true. You know what else is? Tyrany can only exist in a government world.

ANARCHISM!
 
The first weapon of mass destruction was the human brain!
 
pi-r8 said:
Nazi Germany wasn't capitalist. It was fascist.
Your mom's fascist! ...last night.
 

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