Little confussed (Mean Value Theorem)

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The discussion revolves around the equation 2x - 1 - sin x = 0 and its roots, specifically in the context of the Mean Value Theorem and the Intermediate Value Theorem. Participants are exploring how to demonstrate that the equation has exactly one root.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the Intermediate Value Theorem to establish the existence of a root, questioning the selection of appropriate values for evaluation. There is also a consideration of the Mean Value Theorem in relation to the uniqueness of the root.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the relationship between the Intermediate Value Theorem and the Mean Value Theorem. Some have offered specific evaluations of the function at certain points, while others are seeking clarification on the rationale behind choosing those points.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on understanding the definitions and implications of the theorems involved, with some participants expressing confusion about the application of these concepts to the problem at hand.

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Hello All

I am a bit confussed with this question I have.

Show that the equation 2x - 1 - sin x = 0 has exactly one root. So this apears in the Mean Value Theorem section of my book. If some one can help it would be great.

I believe I need to use the Intermediate Value Theorem to show that a root exists, but am unsure of what values to use for it. Do I just pick random numbers? I need to show that there is a value between f(a) and f(b) that equals zero which will be a the root. Am I correct??

THanks
 
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The "intermediate value theorem" says that a continuous real function hits all the points in between two points in its range. To put it into human language, for example, it means that if right now you're 425 miles away from your baby, and two months ago you were 0 miles away from your baby, then, since 0 < 133 < 425, there must have been a time, in the last two months, that you were exactly 133 miles away from your baby.

Carl
 
powp said:
Hello All
I am a bit confussed with this question I have.
Show that the equation 2x - 1 - sin x = 0 has exactly one root. So this apears in the Mean Value Theorem section of my book. If some one can help it would be great.
I believe I need to use the Intermediate Value Theorem to show that a root exists, but am unsure of what values to use for it. Do I just pick random numbers? I need to show that there is a value between f(a) and f(b) that equals zero which will be a the root. Am I correct??
THanks

If x= 0 f(x)= 2x-1-sin x= -1<0. If x= [itex]\pi[/itex], f(x)= 2x- 1- sin x= [itex]2\pi[/itex]> 0. So there exist at least one root between 0 and [itex]\pi[/itex].
However, as carlB pointed out, that's the "intermediate value property", not the "mean value theorem".
Suppose there were more than one root, at, say, x1 and x2. Then the "average" change between the two points would be (f(x1)- f(x2)/(x1- x2)= 0 and the mean value theorem says that there must be a point between x1 and x2 where the derivative is 0. f'(x)= 2- cos(x). Where is that 0?
 
Uh, the "Mean Value Theorem" says that if right now you're 55 miles from your baby, and an hour ago you were 25 miles from your baby, then there must have been at least one moment when you were moving towards your baby at a rate of exactly 30 miles per hour.

It's a little more subtle than the intermediate value theorem.

Carl
 
Uh, the "Mean Value Theorem" says that if right now you're 55 miles from your baby, and an hour ago you were 25 miles from your baby, then there must have been at least one moment when you were moving towards your baby at a rate of exactly 30 miles per hour.

It's a little more subtle than the intermediate value theorem.

Carl
 
Thanks HallsofIvy and CarlB

Just one other question right now.

HallsofIvy said
If x= 0 f(x)= 2x-1-sin x= -1<0. If x=Pi, f(x)= 2x- 1- sin x= > 0

How do you know which values to use Itermediate Value? the zero and PI that you picked. Thanks
 

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