Angular acceleration & cylinder

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The discussion revolves around the angular acceleration of a solid cylinder that pivots on a frictionless bearing, with a string pulling downward due to a hanging mass. Participants are exploring the dynamics of rotational motion and the effects of forces acting on the system.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of angular acceleration using the moment of inertia and torque. There is confusion regarding the inclusion of the hanging mass's rotational inertia and the correct application of forces in the torque equation. Some participants question the wording of the problem and its implications for the setup.

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The discussion has evolved with some participants correcting their initial approaches and arriving at different values for angular acceleration. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of hanging mass on the system and how to calculate the distance traveled by the mass after a certain time interval.

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Participants note potential ambiguities in the problem statement regarding the presence of a hanging mass and its effect on calculations. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the correct application of physical principles in this context.

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M, a solid cylinder (M=1.59 kg, R=0.127 m) pivots on a thin, fixed, frictionless bearing. A string wrapped around the cylinder pulls downward with a force F which equals the weight of a 0.750 kg mass, i.e., F = 7.357 N. Calculate the angular acceleration of the cylinder.
I used,
I*alpha= mgr
(1/2)mr^2 *alpha= mgr
(1/2)(1.59)(.127)^2 * alpha= (1.59)(9.8)(.127)
Solving for alpha gave me 155.9 rad/s^2
which wasn't right. Can someone help? Thanks.
 
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Did you forget the "rotational Inertia" of the hanging mass?
Include the .75 kg mass at the R^2 where the string joins.

Otherwise, you have to use the Tension in the string, rather than mg,
to provide torque on the disk. (with mg - T causing ma of the hanger).
 
so would I do..
(1/2)(1.59+ .75)(.127)^2 * alpha= (1.59)(9.8)(.127)

I'm a little confused about where the .75 comes into it
 
Inertias add.
IF you actually HAVE a hanging mass on the string you'd do
I_total = I_disk + I_hanger = (1/2)(1.59)(.127)^2 + (.75)(.127)^2 .

But the wording in the problem is peculiar, you might NOT have a hanger.

You somehow used the weight of the cylinder (rather than 7.36 N) to provide the torque which is supposed to angularly accelerate the cylinder.
Sorry I hadn't noticed it before, the wording is really distracting.
 
Ok I figured out what I was doing wrong and got the right answer.. it was 72.9 rad/s^2.
The second part says if instead of the force F an actual mass m= .750 kg is hung from the string, find the angular acceleration of the cylinder. I got this part it was 37.5 rad/s^2.
The third question says how far does m travel downward between 0.530 s and 0.730 s after the motion begins?

I used a= delta w/delta t
37.5= delta w/ .2
delta w= 7.5 rad/s
then, delta w= delta theta/ delta t
7.5= delta theta/ .2
so theta =1.5 m
this isn't right.
Can someone help me? Thanks.
 

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