What is the Current Density in a Hollow Wire of Same Length as a Solid Wire?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of current density in wires, specifically comparing a solid wire and a hollow wire of the same length and material. Participants explore how the geometry of the wires affects current density, considering both direct current (DC) and alternating current (AC) scenarios.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that current density is related to the shape of the wire, suggesting that a hollow wire may have a different current density than a solid wire.
  • One participant notes that if the current is kept constant, reducing the cross-sectional area of the hollow wire would lead to a higher current density, while also acknowledging the skin effect in AC currents.
  • Another participant emphasizes that current density is defined as the current per unit cross-sectional area, indicating that changes in area will affect current density.
  • There is a discussion about the competing effects of changing cross-sectional area and resistivity, with one participant stating that reducing the area increases resistivity, which could lead to a decrease in current.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how current density is affected by the geometry of the wires, with no consensus reached on whether the current density in the hollow wire is the same as in the solid wire.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of the relationship between current density, current, and resistivity, with participants noting that the outcome depends on the specific geometry of the conductor.

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I know this is a retarted question, I should probably know this, but to the question. Say I have a wire of length L with a small diamter d. It has a current density J. Now say we have another wire of the same length that is hollow. They are both made of the same material. Is the current density for the second wire the same as the first? This is NOT a homework question by the way.
 
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Tony11235 said:
I know this is a retarted question, I should probably know this, but to the question. Say I have a wire of length L with a small diamter d. It has a current density J. Now say we have another wire of the same length that is hollow. They are both made of the same material. Is the current density for the second wire the same as the first? This is NOT a homework question by the way.

is the current, I, the same in both wires? assuming they are and that the outer diameter of both are the same, then the current density of the hollow wire is higher. at least for DC. (AC tends to have this "skin effect". even at 60 Hz, the vast majority of the current in these big power lines is in or near the surface of the conductor.)
 
Ok so basically it's ok to say that currently density is related to shape.
 
Tony11235 said:
I know this is a retarted question, I should probably know this, but to the question. Say I have a wire of length L with a small diamter d. It has a current density J. Now say we have another wire of the same length that is hollow. They are both made of the same material. Is the current density for the second wire the same as the first? This is NOT a homework question by the way.

The question, as it is presented, reads rather vague to me. Whenever something like that happens, then you will get a non-unique answer.

1. "Current density", by definition, is the amount of current flowing per unit cross-section area, i.e. J = I/A in the simplest form. If you keep current I constant, you can already see based from that naive form alone, that changing A will change J. Thus, when you hollow-out the conductor, the cross-sectional area of the conductor that allows current to flow through is reduced. So you will have a different J.

2. On the other hand, the resistivity of a material depends very much on the cross-sectional area. So the assumption of keeping I constant in (1) may not be valid. Reducing the area will increase the resistivity and will cause I to drop. So you now have two competing effects: A is decreasing and would cause J to increase, but I is also decreasing and this would cause J to decrease.

How this works out depends very much on the geometry of the conductor.

Zz.
 

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