Applied Min/Max word problem

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The problem involves finding the dimensions of a rectangle with maximum area that can be inscribed in a circle of radius 10. Participants are exploring geometric relationships and calculus concepts related to optimization.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss using the Pythagorean theorem to relate the rectangle's dimensions to the circle's radius. There are attempts to express the area in terms of variables and derivatives, with some questioning the correctness of their derivatives and critical points.

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Multiple approaches are being explored, including expressing the area in terms of the angle between the diagonals and using trigonometric identities. Some participants express confusion over the critical points derived from their derivatives, while others suggest simpler forms of the area function. There is no explicit consensus on the best method yet.

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Participants are working under constraints of homework rules, which may limit the use of certain tools or methods. There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions made in their calculations and the implications of those assumptions on the results.

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I can't seem to figure out this problem.
Find the dimensions of the rectangle with maximum area that can be inscribed in a circle of radius 10.
I start by drawing the diagram and it seems to me like the circle radius corresponds with a line from the center of the rectangle to one of the rectangle points on the edge of the circle. This could give me a triangle with pythagorean theorem. I should find the value of x that yields largest area as my priority, after that I can find y easily.

Latex is not behaving today so i'll try my best without. y/2 = (10^2-(x/2)^2)^(1/2)

Area of a square is xy, duh.

Plugging this in gives me a chain rule problem which ultimately comes out with the critical points 0, -10 and 10, all of which yield 0 Area (obviously), there has to be a critical point that I am missing between 0 and 10 but the derivative of A(x) doesn't yield any.

I'm stumped.
 
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Try writing the area of the inscribed rectangle as a function of the angle between its diagonals.
 
Tide said:
Try writing the area of the inscribed rectangle as a function of the angle between its diagonals.
You can do that but I'm not sure that is the best way.

The circle is, of course, x2+ y2= 100.

The area of the rectangle is (2x)(2y)= 4xy.

[tex]y= \sqrt{100- x^2}[/tex]
so the area is [tex]A= 4x\sqrt{100- x^2}= 4x(100-x^2)^{\frac{1}{2}}[/tex].
Differentiating that and setting the derivative equal to 0 gives a quadratic equation so I'm not at all clear how you got three "critical points"!
 
That's about where i'd got to, I just overcomplicated things.
the derivative I get is
[tex]4(100-x^2)^{\frac{1}{2}} - 4x^2(100-x^2)^{-\frac{1}{2}}[/tex]

EDIT: Wait a sec... I had the derivative slightly wrong...
 
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Right, I had the derivative wrong, I still came out with -10, 0 and 10 but the +/-10 were asymptotes according to table and x=0 came out as 40 max area.

That makes absolutely no sense.
 
I get area of the rectangle to be x * Square root (100 - x ^2)

Still shouldn't make any difference, at least as regards to the derivative of area being equal to zero.

You might want to look a little closer at how you used the chain rule on this..
 
Aresius said:
That's about where i'd got to, I just overcomplicated things.
the derivative I get is
[tex]4(100-x^2)^{\frac{1}{2}} - 4x^2(100-x^2)^{-\frac{1}{2}}[/tex]
EDIT: Wait a sec... I had the derivative slightly wrong...
[tex]4(100-x^2)^{\frac{1}{2}} - 4x^2(100-x^2)^{-\frac{1}{2}}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{4(100-x^2)}{(100-x^2)^{\frac{1}{2}}} - \frac{4x^2}{(100-x^2)^{\frac{1}{2}}} = 0[/tex]

giving,

[tex]4(100-x^2) - 4x^2 = 0[/tex]
[tex]400 - 8x^2 = 0[/tex]
[tex]x^2 = 50[/tex]

only one solution for x.
 
HallsofIvy said:
You can do that but I'm not sure that is the best way.

Perhaps not but [itex]A = 50 \sin \theta[/itex] looks simpler! :smile:
 
Tide said:
Perhaps not but [itex]A = 50 \sin \theta[/itex] looks simpler! :smile:

Personally, I like the "it must be a square, by symetry" approach.
 
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Solution

(The diagram has been attached)

Area of rectangle = l X b = 2x√(10-x²)

Squaring the function and discarding the constant

A = x²(10-x²)
A = 10x² - x4

dA = 20x - 4x³
dx

For turning point dA/dx = 0
20x - 4x³ = 0
x = ±√5 , 0

x = +√5 as length cannot be negative or zero

d²A = 20 - 12x²
dx²

d²A/dx² < 0 (Maximum)

A = 2x√(10 - x²)
A = 10v5 sq. units

Dimensions:
length = 2√(10 - x²) = 2√5
width = 2x = 2√5

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