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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by friction on a body moving along different paths on a surface, specifically comparing a straight line and a parabolic path. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, particularly work and friction forces.

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  • Participants explore the expression for work done by friction and question the implications of different paths taken by the body. There is discussion about the definition of ds and its role in the work calculation.

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Some participants have provided interpretations of the work done along the paths, while others seek clarification on the mathematical expressions and limits of integration. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet, but guidance has been offered regarding the use of dot products and the definition of ds.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding whether the work is calculated for the friction force or the force applied to move the body. There is also uncertainty about the integration limits and the treatment of differentials in the calculations.

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The froce of friction on a body (moving along a surface at constant speed) can be approximated by [itex]\vec{F} = -F \hat{v}[/itex], where F is a positive constant and [itex]\hat{v} = \frac{\vec{v}}{|\vec{v}|}[/itex] is the unit vector in the direction of [itex]\vec{v} = \dot{\vec{r}}[/itex] (the velocity of the body)

Prove that hte work done in moving the body from r to r+dr (along a given path) ie dW = F . dr= -F ds in this case where
[itex]ds^2 = d\vec{r}^2 = dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2[/itex] where ds iteh element of arc length along the path of the body


Hint: [tex]\frac{\frac{d\vec{r}}{dt}}{|\frac{d\vec{r}}{dt}|} = \frac{d\vec{r}}{|d\vec{r}|}[/tex] and [tex]|d\vec{r}| = \sqrt{d\vec{r} \bullet d\vec{r}} = \sqrt{d\vec{r}^2} = ds[/tex]

ok since v hat can be written like the hint and the denominator can be written like ds so
[tex]\vec{F} \bullet d\vec{r} = -F \frac{d\vec{r}}{ds} \bullet d\vec{r}[/tex]
since dr dot dr is ismply dr^2 which is ds^2 we get what we want.
Is this fine?

If the body is moved along a level floor (in which we take to be the xy plane) from the point (0,0) to (1,1) along two different paths
(i) The straight line through (0,0) and (1,1)
(ii) along the parabola y = x^2
Calculate the work done in the two cases and compare the results


Im wondering if they mean the work done by the force of friction of the work done by the person pushing the box

If it was the work done by the friction could we even calculate it without any time given?

Please help! Thanks in advance!
 
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i asked my prof and he says that the work done should be the work done by the friction

so in this case for the straight line y=x, since we derivaed the dW = -F ds
but what is ds?
is it something like this?
[tex]ds = \sqrt{dx^2 + dy^2}[/tex]

in cartesian coordiantes what would be the limits of integration... since x and y would be inmtergrated separately?

so then would it be like this?
[tex]W = \int_{y=0}^{y=1} \int_{x=0}^{x=1} \sqrt{dx^2 + dy^2}[/tex]
but htis doesn't make sense because the differe\ntials themselves can't be under roots?
Please help!
Thank you!
 
can anyone help... offer some guidance as to what to do here?

your help and input is always greatly appreciated!
 
a friend of mine said that the answer for the part where the block is moved along the straight path form (0,0) to (1,1)
[tex]W = \int_{0}^{1} \int_{0}^{1} F (1,1) \bullet (1,1) dx dy[/tex] but I am not quite sure about why he did the dot product?

for the y=x^2 path he suggested that one does this
[tex]W = \int_{0}^{1} \int_{y=0}^{y=x^2} F (1,1) \bullet (1,1) dx dy[/tex]

same thing here, how did he get the dot product?
 

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