Regarding the direction of the angular velocity vector

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the direction of the angular velocity vector for a spinning object, specifically in the context of a top spinning in the horizontal x,y plane. Participants explore the reasoning behind the directionality of this vector, its relationship to the axis of rotation, and the implications of the right-hand rule.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the angular velocity vector is perpendicular to the plane of motion and points in the positive z direction, questioning the reasoning behind this directionality beyond the textbook explanation.
  • Another participant mentions that the direction of the angular velocity vector is related to the axis of rotation.
  • A different participant expresses confusion about the relationship between the direction of the vector and the axis of rotation, referencing the right-hand rule.
  • It is stated that the direction is based on the cross product and the right-hand rule, which some participants consider arbitrary but emphasize the need for consistency.
  • One participant discusses the challenge of selecting a direction for the angular momentum vector in the x-y plane, noting that any direction within that plane could be equally valid, leading to the conclusion that the two normal directions (up and down) are the only options left.
  • A humorous aside is shared about the right-hand rule, illustrating the common confusion among students during a physics exam.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement regarding the reasoning behind the direction of the angular velocity vector. There is no consensus on whether the direction is arbitrary or has a deeper significance, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the dependence on the right-hand rule and the potential for confusion in its application. The discussion also touches on the limitations of selecting a direction for angular momentum in the context of a spinning object.

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If a top is spinning in the horizontal x,y planes in a counter-clockwise motion, the vector of its angular velocity and acceleration is perpendicular to that plane, specifically in the positive z direction.
Is there any specific reason for direction? My book states that the vector must be perpendicular to the plane of motion so that is unique regardless of whether you observe the object from its top or bottom, but this answer does not seem very satisfactory. Is there another reason? Or is it really arbitrarily based on the fact that when our thumbs curl in a counter-clockwise motion our thumb points upward?
 
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it is a vector product, And the direction is related with axis of rotation
 
I really do not understand what you mean. I do understand that yes it is a vector product, but i don't understand what you mean by how it is related to the axis of rotation, unless you are referring to what I have already said about how the direction is related to the axis of rotation through the "right hand rule"
 
It is based on the cross product, which is based on the right-hand-rule, which is of course totally arbitrary. It is only important that we be consistent.

You can check it out at ScienceWorld.
 
i meant to say that the vector is || axis of rotation
 
Suppose you yourself were going to create a vector to represent angular momentum of something spinning in the x-y plane. There's no problem about the magnitude (length), it's the amount of angular momentum - fine!

But what direction can you point it? Any direction in the x-y plane would be as good - or as bad - as any other, because any point on a spinning object points in all the directions in the plane of rotation as it goes around. So selecting anyone direction in the plane and saying "that's it" is a bonehead play.

All that's left are the two directions normal to the the plane - up and down. Now it's an even call which one you pick, and long ago they picked according to the "right hand rule" which you may have heard of. Curl the fingers of your right hand in the direction of the spin and stick out your thumb. The direction your thumb pooints is the direction of the A.M. vector.
 
A bit OT, but it is about right hand rule.

A proctor, before a large basic physics exam on magnetism told us this. With 500 people taking the exam, there are always a few holding up their right hand and curling their fingers. And every once in a while, there's some guy holding up his left hand and doing it.

Njorl
 

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