What is Meant by 'Outer' Differentiation in Vector Potential?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "outer" differentiation in the context of vector potential and its relation to magnetic fields. Participants seek clarity on the terminology and the mathematical operations involved, particularly the differentiation of vector potential and its interpretation as a cross product.

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  • One participant seeks a clear explanation of "outer" differentiation, specifically in relation to differentiating vector potential to derive magnetic fields.
  • Another participant suggests that "outer" differentiation may refer to the cross product of the gradient operator with the vector potential, although they acknowledge uncertainty regarding the terminology.
  • A later reply questions the interpretation of "dA/dt" as outer differentiation, indicating a need for clarification on the term's usage.
  • There is an acknowledgment of a correction regarding the differentiation process, emphasizing the role of the cross product in obtaining the magnetic field.

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Participants express differing interpretations of the term "outer" differentiation, with no consensus reached on its precise meaning or application in the context of vector potential and magnetic fields.

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There are limitations in understanding the terminology and its mathematical implications, particularly regarding the relationship between differentiation and cross products. The discussion does not resolve these ambiguities.

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"outer" differentiation?

Since I didn't get a response on the "Diff. Eqns." thread, I put it here.

Can someone give me a clear explanation of what is meant by "outer" differentiation.

As for example, when we differentiate the vector potential, dA/dx, in order to arrive at the magnetic field, B, why would this be called an 'outer' differentiation??


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Originally posted by Creator
... when we differentiate the vector potential, dA/dx, in order to arrive at the magnetic field, B, why would this be called an 'outer' differentiation??
Probably because d/dx is not exactly what you do. You take the cross product of the gradient operator with the vector potential to get the magnetic field. The cross product is sometimes called/related to the outer product, but that's tensor jargon with which I am unfamiliar.
 


Thanks for the response, Turin;

and thanks for the correction. Oc course, you are accurate in saying it is the cross product of the gradient.
I guess then if someone says "dA/dt is the outer differentiation" I should interpret that to mean they are simply referring to it as being a cross product.??

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Originally posted by Creator
... if someone says "dA/dt is the outer differentiation" I should interpret that to mean they are simply referring to it as being a cross product.??
I would ask them what they mean. I wouldn't know how to make sense of that.
 

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