Calculating Magnetic Force of Fe+ ion at a Given Point

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic force acting on a Fe+ ion moving through a magnetic field. It includes the application of the Lorentz force equation and considerations regarding the direction of the force based on vector cross products.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 presents the scenario of a Fe+ ion traveling at a specified velocity and the magnetic field at a given point, asking for the calculation of the magnetic force.
  • Post 2 introduces the formula for magnetic force, stating it involves the charge, velocity, and magnetic field, along with the sine of the angle between the velocity and magnetic field vectors.
  • Post 3 corrects a previous statement about the Lorentz force, emphasizing that the correct formulation involves the cross product of velocity and magnetic field as q(v x B), not q(B x v), and notes the importance of vector direction in the calculation.
  • Post 4 acknowledges the correction and mentions using the right-hand rule to determine the direction of the magnetic force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct formulation of the Lorentz force and its implications for the direction of the magnetic force. There is no consensus on the initial presentation of the formula.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of vector direction in magnetic force calculations and the potential for error in using non-commutative operations like cross products. There may be assumptions about the definitions of the vectors involved that are not fully explored.

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A Fe+ ion is traveling at 200 m/sec in a direction 20 deg south of west at a point. The magnetic field at that point is 0.4 T directed at 10 deg west of south. What is the instantaneous magnetic force that acts on the Fe is how many Newtons?
 
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The magnetic force on a charge that travels through a magnetic field is:
[tex]\vec F_m = q\vec V \times \vec B = q|V||B|\sin \alpha[/tex]
([itex]\alpha[/tex] being the angle between the field vector and the velocity vector of course.)[/itex]
 
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Originally posted by Chen
The magnetic force on a charge that travels through a magnetic field is:
[tex]\vec F_m = q\vec B \times \vec V = q|B||V|\sin \alpha[/tex]
([itex]\alpha[/tex] being the angle between the field vector and the velocity vector of course.)[/itex]
[itex][/itex]
[itex] <br /> I normally would not be picky on such things. However, it should be corrected that the general form of Lorentz force for the magnetic field term is proportional to q(v x B), not q(B x v).<br /> <br /> Since the original question involves the exact vectorial direction of the force, and since cross products are not commutative, this can produce an error in the direction.<br /> <br /> Zz.[/itex]
 
Of course, I've corrected my post. Thanks for pointing my mistake out. :smile: Usually I just use the right-hand rule to find the direction of the magnetic force.
 

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