EU Students in UK: Why Don't Dependent States Pay Tuition?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the financial responsibilities of countries regarding tuition fees for students studying in the UK, particularly focusing on the case of Gibraltar as a British dependent territory. Participants express concerns about the implications of EU policies on tuition payments for foreign students and the perceived inequities in the system.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the British government will cover tuition fees for EU students, while Gibraltar, a British dependent territory, must pay for its students studying in the UK, raising questions about fairness.
  • Another participant expresses agreement with the initial concern, although they acknowledge their distance from the situation.
  • Several posts reference a comparison to California's tuition policies for illegal immigrants versus out-of-state citizens, suggesting a broader critique of perceived inequities in educational funding.
  • One participant challenges the claim that illegal immigrants pay the same tuition as residents, arguing that they contribute to state taxes, while out-of-state citizens do not.
  • Another participant questions the accuracy of claims regarding illegal immigrants filing tax returns and their overall financial contributions, expressing skepticism about their tax status.
  • A participant suggests that it should be the responsibility of countries to fund their students' education, proposing that universities or governments should have the authority to accept or reject foreign students based on this criterion.
  • One participant seeks clarification on the requirements for Eastern Bloc students studying in the UK, questioning whether EU regulations have altered the need for international permits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions, with some agreeing on the unfairness of the current system while others focus on different aspects of the discussion, such as immigration and taxation. There is no clear consensus on the issues raised.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various assumptions about immigration status, taxation, and educational policies without providing definitive evidence or resolution to these claims. The discussion reflects differing perspectives on the implications of EU membership and local governance.

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OK get this... with all these new countries joining the EU, my dad has noticed lots of coaches arriving in London with Eastern Bloc citizens looking for work. I don't mind that. What I don't like is the fact that the BRITISH government will have to pay the tuition fees for the students that come to learn here.

However Gibraltar, a British DEPENDENT state, sends students to Britain because there is no university in Gib. The Gibraltar government has to fork out the money for tuition fees for these students. They pay £6000 a year for my cousin to study here.

Gibraltar generates quite a bit of money for itself due to tourism and suchlike, but for 100 students to study in Britain...£600,000 A YEAR! That is a lot of money for a 30,000 population 2.5 x 2 mile piece of rock. And they probably send out more than 100 students.

Why don't these countries have to pay for their own students?
 
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I most heartily agree, jimmy, despite the fact that I live very far away from Europe. My opinion doesn't matter, but for what it's worth (none) I think you're right.
 
Welcome to Socialism 101. In California, criminals (illegal aliens) pay the same tuition as California residents to attend a California university or State college. Out-of-state U.S. citizens attending these schools shells out tuitions approximately 4 times that of the criminals, oops, did it again (illegal aliens) oops, did it again (undocumented aliens)
 
I'm sure I fall in place with all of you on my opinions of this.
 
Welcome to Socialism 101. In California, criminals (illegal aliens) pay the same tuition as California residents to attend a California university or State college. Out-of-state U.S. citizens attending these schools shells out tuitions approximately 4 times that of the criminals, oops, did it again (illegal aliens) oops, did it again (undocumented aliens)

This statement is just dumb. The "illegal aliens" are residents of California and pay state taxes. US citizens from other states are of course not California residents and don't pay state taxes. Get it?
 
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The "illegal aliens" are residents of California and pay state taxes. US citizens from other states are of course not California residents and don't pay state taxes. Get it?

Are you saying that illegal immigrants are filing tax returns? What percentage? Seriously, if you have numbers on that I'd be interested to know.
 
Math Is Hard said:
Are you saying that illegal immigrants are filing tax returns? What percentage? Seriously, if you have numbers on that I'd be interested to know.
I don't think illegal aliens are filing tax returns or paying tuition to universities, but I could be wrong.

To my knowledge, illegal aliens are paid cash "under the table" and pay no taxes. I guess there may be some exceptions to this, but since an illegal alien would have no social security number, I wonder how taxes would be withheld.
 
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This is disgraceful. It should be up to the countries to pay for their students education. And if they cant/wont then the University or government should decide whether they should accept the foreign student.
 
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Uh, forgive me for not understanding the British education system (maybe you could help with a link :wink:) but if the people form the Eastern bloc countries come into study - won't they need international permits and the like to study? Or is it that the EU rules have done away with this? COuld you please clarify this? thanks!
 

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