What Conditions Allow a Thrown Ball to Return to the Thrower?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions necessary for a thrown ball to return to the thrower after bouncing. Participants explore various angles, initial velocities, and the nature of the bounce, focusing on both theoretical and practical aspects of projectile motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessary conditions for a ball to return to the thrower, particularly regarding the angles a and b, and suggests that angle b might need to be 90°.
  • Another participant notes that the ball does not need to follow the same path to return, prompting a discussion about the coefficient of restitution and whether the bounce is elastic.
  • A participant clarifies that they are considering a completely elastic ball and specifies interest in conditions for the ball to return after one bounce, while suggesting a potential relationship between the number of bounces and angle b.
  • One participant proposes that a 90° angle could allow the ball to return over the same path but also suggests the possibility of different angles for the incoming and outgoing paths, indicating a need for further mathematical verification.

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Participants express differing views on the angles and conditions required for the ball to return, with no consensus reached on the specific parameters or mathematical relationships involved.

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Some assumptions about the nature of the bounce (e.g., elastic vs. inelastic) and the specific values of angles and initial velocities remain unspecified, leading to potential variations in outcomes.

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Hello!

Can someone help me define the necessary condition in which the ball returns back to the thrower?

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a,b and c are angles.

The changeable value can be either a,b or V0, irrelevant.

I don't know if there is a condition concerning the angle b, should it be 90°?

In that case if a=0 the ball would just continue jumping at the spot where it hits the ground.

(the dotted line should represent the parabolic flight, haven't figured out jet how to draw that nicely :) )
 

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hello pinsky! :smile:

the ball doesn't have to follow the same path to return to the thrower

anyway, what is the coefficient of restitution (the amount of energy lost ono the bounce)? or is it completely elastic? :confused:
 
Hello tim

The ball is completely elastic.
I now see that i forgot to mention, I'm looking for the condition in which the ball returns in one bounce.

(lets say that a and v0 are constants)
I suppose one could also define a relation between the number of bounces and the angle b , me not being the one :) .
 
ok, then a 90° angle should return the ball over the same path

but there may be another solution …

there are usually two angles for which a given speed will have a given range, so i suppose it could bounce in at one angle and out at the other (but i haven't done the maths to check it)
 

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