How Do Doppler Effects Determine the Frequency of a Whistle in Motion?

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The discussion revolves around the Doppler effect as it applies to a scenario where a boy is walking away from a wall while blowing a whistle. An observer hears a beat frequency of 4 beats per second, and the speed of sound is given as 340 m/s. Participants are exploring how to determine the frequency of the whistle based on this setup.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the presence of two Doppler effects: one from the boy moving toward the observer and another from the sound reflecting off the wall. There are questions about how to relate beat frequency to the original frequency of the whistle and whether the two Doppler effects can be combined or equated.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and guidance on how to approach the problem, including the use of Doppler equations and the relationship between the frequencies heard by the observer. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the calculations needed to find the original frequency of the whistle.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the application of the Doppler effect equations and how to correctly interpret the beat frequency in relation to the frequencies produced by the moving source and the reflected sound. The original poster expresses confusion about their initial calculations and seeks clarification on the setup.

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A Boy is walking away from a wall at a speed of 1m/s in a direction at right angles to the wall. As he walks, he blows a whistle steadily. An observer toward whom the boy is walking hearts 4 beats per second. If the speed of sound is 340 m/s, what is the frequency of the whistle?

My original approach did not come out anywhere near right, so I am just going to ask if this analysis of the situation is right.

The boy is walking toward someone blowing a whistle. So there are two doppler effects? The one caused from the boy walking toward an observer and the sound wave reflecting off the wall, so I would calculate two doppler effects and combine them? And how can I change beat frequency to frequency, if that's possible even.
 
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The observer will hear two different frequencies, as you guessed correctly : one coming directly from the whistler (doppler shifted upwards) and another from the reflection off the wall (doppler shifted downwards). If the whistle frequency is f, you can find f1 (>f) and f2(<f) in terms of f, using the doppler relation. The beat frequency is simply the difference between these two frequencies. So, f1 - f2 = 4 Hz.

You now have 3 equations in 3 unknowns, which you can solve to find them all.
 
Hints:
The guy hears two whistle, one is moving toward the guy at 1m/s and the other one is moving away, now you know the frequency of two whistle, and ...(I don't want to do the problem for you)
 
Question..this is the doppler effect equation for the source moving towards a stationary observer:

F'= F / (1-Vsource/V)

VSource = 1 m/s
V= 340 m/s for sound of speed

What goes in for F? 4? THats what I did originally but it didnt work
 
Or will the two doppler effects be equal to each other and that's how you find the F?
 

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