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 jbay Dec11-12 02:59 AM

lagrangian of three bodies, using an exponential potential

What I know:
L = T - V
V = e^(x1-x2) + e^(x2-x3) for n = 3 and a mass = 1

What I believe:
T = .5Ʃ (x'_i)^2 from 1 to n

So lets say you have three bodys that can just be considered pints masses of 1 and on the same line:

x1 x2 x3
They have an exponential potential. What is L?

 andrien Dec11-12 03:01 AM

Re: lagrangian of three bodies, using an exponential potential

Don't you think you should also consider interaction between 1 and 3.By the way,this is most suited in homework section.

 K^2 Dec11-12 04:58 AM

Re: lagrangian of three bodies, using an exponential potential

Not necessarily. He said they are points on a line. So the interaction might be pair-wise. Think masses connected by springs, but with a different potential.

jbay, if you take them to be unit mass, yes, that's correct expression for kinetic energy. So if your potential energy is correct, then you have your Lagrangian.

 andrien Dec11-12 07:39 AM

Re: lagrangian of three bodies, using an exponential potential

what about something like force field in which there will be an interaction between 1 and 3,but it is not clear from context given.

 jbay Dec11-12 09:55 AM

Re: lagrangian of three bodies, using an exponential potential

So I do not need to account for the interaction of 1 and 3 in V. Also great now my only problem is what is x'? Can I integrate V to get it since the e"s are basically acceleration?

 K^2 Dec11-12 03:41 PM

Re: lagrangian of three bodies, using an exponential potential

We don't know if you need to account for interaction between 1 and 3, because you didn't state the problem clearly enough to deduce that. What kind of interaction are you looking at? Is it pair-wise only between neighbors? Is it a global interaction? You need to define that.

You find your x' after you solve equations of motion. You have the Lagrangian, so you know that your equations of motion will be these.

$$\frac{d}{dt}\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}_i} - \frac{\partial L}{\partial x_i} = 0$$

Write it out. It will give you a system of 3 partial differential equations. If they separate out nicely, you might be able to solve them to find x(t).

 jbay Dec13-12 02:12 AM

Re: lagrangian of three bodies, using an exponential potential

But how would you do the d/dt portion if there is no t.

 K^2 Dec13-12 02:41 AM

Re: lagrangian of three bodies, using an exponential potential

It's a total derivative, not a partial one.

$$\frac{d}{dt}f(x, \dot{x}) = \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\frac{dx}{dt} + \frac{\partial f}{\partial \dot{x}}\frac{d\dot{x}}{dt} = \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\dot{x} + \frac{\partial f}{\partial \dot{x}}\ddot{x}$$

 andrien Dec13-12 08:04 AM

Re: lagrangian of three bodies, using an exponential potential

Quote:
 Quote by jbay (Post 4195265) But how would you do the d/dt portion if there is no t.
since lagrangian does not contaib explicit time dependence,it means energy is conserved.

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