What is the pattern sequence for this brain teaser?

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The discussion revolves around the continuation and properties of the Conway sequence, also known as the look-and-say sequence. Participants explore its characteristics, potential variations, and related mathematical concepts.

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  • Some participants provide the next terms in the Conway sequence, indicating a sequence of numbers generated by describing the previous term.
  • One participant notes that the sequence is known to have properties related to discrete mathematics, combinatorics, and graph theory, although access to detailed literature is limited.
  • Another participant questions whether the sequence can contain numbers larger than 3, suggesting that certain patterns will not appear based on their understanding of the sequence.
  • A participant requests clarification on a complex statement regarding the sequence's behavior and its relation to the cosmological theorem, mentioning concepts like "elements" and "compounds."
  • Several participants propose alternative sequences that could arise from different starting points, suggesting that multiple valid continuations exist.
  • One participant emphasizes the necessity of the number 3 appearing at least twice for understanding the pattern, indicating a specific interpretation of the sequence's rules.

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Participants express differing views on the properties and implications of the Conway sequence, with no consensus on certain aspects, such as the presence of larger numbers or the interpretation of its mathematical properties.

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Some statements rely on specific definitions and assumptions about the sequence, and there are unresolved questions regarding the implications of the cosmological theorem and the nature of "decaying" strings.

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Readers interested in mathematical sequences, combinatorial properties, and those exploring the connections between number theory and discrete mathematics may find this discussion relevant.

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nice ;), you have meet those i guess.
 
For general information,
these sequences are called conway sequence also known as look and say sequence
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LookandSaySequence.html

It is known that this sequence has many properties related to discrete maths, combinatorics and graph theory but the paper which discusses these things is not available for free :(.

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Unless I'm wrong, this sequence will never contain any number larger than 3, correct?

You will never have ...211113..., because that's really ...3113...

Edit: Ah yes. Upon further reading, I see my observation is corroborated. (Good to know!)
 
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Can someone explain this, or at least give an example:

"In fact, the constant is even more general than this, applying to all starting sequences (i.e., even those starting with arbitrary starting digits), with the exception of 22, a result which follows from the cosmological theorem. Conway discovered that strings sometimes factor as a concatenation of two strings whose descendants never interfere with one another. A string with no nontrivial splittings is called an "element," and other strings are called "compounds." It is postulated that every string of 1s, 2s, and 3s that does not contain four of the same number in succession eventually "decays" into a compound of 92 special elements, named after the chemical elements."

It seems to come down to the 'factoring', which they call 'decaying'.
 
wouldve been harder if it were:
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continue.
 
mapper said:
wouldve been harder if it were:
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continue.
if by harder you mean less specific then yes.

1
11
111
1111
11111

is one solution

1
11
101
111
1001
1011
1101
1111
...
is another

so is
1
11
31
57
83
...

and one more
1
11
121
1331
14641
...

What are they all? (that i wrote)
 
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i use this as i think that number 3 must come at least twice for anyone to get the pattern
 

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