Stunning Revolution in Physics or dumb Newspaper?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around claims made in an article about physicists allegedly achieving both the slowing down and speeding up of light. Participants explore the implications of these claims, particularly in relation to the speed of light in different media and the potential effects on established physical laws, especially relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the claims, suggesting that the article likely refers to the speed of light in a medium rather than in a vacuum.
  • One participant notes that if light can be made to travel faster than its normal speed in a medium, it could be an exciting development, but questions the significance of such findings.
  • Another participant proposes that the phenomenon may involve changing the properties of optical fibers, which could affect light speed.
  • There is mention of extreme conditions allowing light signals to exceed 300 million meters per second, raising questions about the implications for relativity.
  • Some participants clarify that the discussion pertains to phase velocity, which they argue does not challenge relativity unless useful information is transmitted at superluminal speeds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are competing views regarding the interpretation of the claims about light speed and its implications for physics.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarification on whether the claims refer to phase velocity or actual information transmission speeds, indicating potential limitations in understanding the underlying physics.

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Ok, I was looking through technocrat and I saw a link to this article which claims, that physicists have not only succeeding in slowing down, but also in speeding up the speed of light. I assume it is actually talking about the speed of light in the medium or something, but the article doesn't seem to claim that, does anybody know what was actually accomplished, I doubt the laws of physics were suddenly overturned with this little fanfare.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-08/epfd-ltt081905.php

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Being in an optical fibre my guess would be "in a medium"
 
Lyuokdea said:
Ok, I was looking through technocrat and I saw a link to this article which claims, that physicists have not only succeeding in slowing down, but also in speeding up the speed of light. I assume it is actually talking about the speed of light in the medium or something, but the article doesn't seem to claim that, does anybody know what was actually accomplished, I doubt the laws of physics were suddenly overturned with this little fanfare.

but they've also accomplished the considerable feat of speeding it up – making light go faster than the speed of light.

Sounds like its in a medium or the world would have gone insane. I suppose we need to determine how important is it in context then we can figure out what they meant by speeding up light. I guess if all experiments so far have simply been to slow down light, it would be very exciting if they were able to speed it back up again after its been slown down.

And by taking 10 more seconds to continue reading, I stumbled upon this.

They were also able to create extreme conditions in which the light signal traveled faster than 300 million meters a second. And even though this seems to violate all sorts of cherished physical assumptions, Einstein needn't move over – relativity isn't called into question, because only a portion of the signal is affected.

What does that mean?
 
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Its probably a fibre that changes properties upon a given signal, such as electric current. This change in properties can either speed up or slow doen light. As for the claims that they can make it go faster than the speed of light in a vacum, (if they do claim that at all) I don't believe it.

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Nenad
 
Looking around I found a more in depth article that seems to argue that it has to do with changing the phase velocities for the different frequencies of light moving through the cable. I think they are talking about this illusion coming from quantum mechanical phenomena, but does it actually allow particles to move faster than the speed of light?

http://www.livescience.com/technology/050819_fastlight.html

~Lyuokdea
 
Yes, it is phase velocity they are talking about.
 
Tide is correct, they are talking about phase velocity [which is irrelevant]. Relativity is not imperiled until useful information is communicated at superluminal velocities.
 

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