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Apr16-10, 03:21 PM
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That portion of the 14th amendment is redundant in that it says basically the same thing as Article 6, quoted above. It was necessary only because Article 6 wasn't being properly followed. Wiki has articles on both, for reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourtee...s_Constitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privile...unities_Clause
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause
The redundancy seems to be in the line:

""No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.""

The line I'm talking about:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. "

Where they created a kind of dual-citizenship. The folklore (i.e. Authors like Lynne Meredith) claims that this was because they wanted to control the rights of newly freed slaves to make sure that they didn't have pure sovereign rights (so they couldn't quickly move in on politics and/or become land owners).

So they compromised, the legend goes, and made us all half-slaves by putting us in debt with national treasury, and carrying that debt through the US Dollar and its taxes.

The general idea is that you still have your sovereign rights, but you can easily sign them away by entering into the contract with the US Federal Government (i.e., allowing yourself to become a Federal citizen under 14th amendment).

Meredith (and other sovereign authors) talk about all the ways we accept this citizenship, and enter unknowingly into a commercial contract with the government (by using zipcodes and federal codes for states in our mail: like AK, OR, WA. By checking "YES, I'm a US Citizen" on forms, by carrying US Federal Notes (US Dollars).


Of course, I don't know how much of this is true, but for a long time, people used it to get out of punishment for statutory laws (which is allegedly bound by the UCC and violates constitutional rights) and not pay taxes.

Most of them were actually successful in terms of legality, but the authors that distributed this information eventually got raided by the IRS.

As a personal anecdote, I relied on the Jefferson Party website, which pertains more to
Alaska (which started as a Foreign Trade Zone, so has a slightly different backbone of law.
I used their website to legally get out of a handful of moving violations (which actually prompted the local court system to skip the preliminary hearings for traffic violations: now we either turn in our ticket with money or we don't... and get a bench warrant... the preliminary hearing was the only opportunity to state your case constitutionally. Now you get arrested, spend a night in jail, and then state your case constitutionally. Not worth the night in jail)


The Jefferson Party website is now associated with malware. This is strange to me, because I know the group that ran it and they're not out to destroy people's computers, they're actually vigilantly trying to spread the word and increase public awareness. I can't help but suspect a third-party is involved here:

Here's google's warning page about the site

http://www.google.com/interstitial?u....jusbelli.com/