Decimal fractions and the numer 1

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between decimal fractions, the concept of time, and philosophical implications regarding the beginning of time. Participants explore how numerical representations relate to the passage of time and the paradoxes that arise from these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how one can arrive at the first second of time given that decimal fractions can extend infinitely, suggesting a potential mathematical law that might facilitate this transition.
  • Another participant argues that the representation of numbers does not affect the passage of time, indicating a separation between numerical representation and temporal progression.
  • A participant draws a parallel between the initial question and Zeno's paradoxes, suggesting that the discussion touches on deeper philosophical issues regarding motion and time.
  • There is a suggestion that the concept of a beginning to time is paradoxical, and that some theories may aim to eliminate the singularity at t=0, which could also address the continuum involved in Zeno's arguments.
  • One participant mentions the belief that the shortest measurable time is the Planck time, approximately 1^-43 seconds, indicating a quantitative perspective on time.
  • A digression occurs regarding the decimalization of price quoting on American stock exchanges, with a participant speculating on its impact on customers and the relationship between numbering and reality.
  • Another participant asserts that the concept of the number 1 collapsing into zero cannot be infinite due to the predefined limits associated with "1".
  • A final post suggests a philosophical stance that the universe did not begin to exist, but rather it simply "was".

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the relationship between time and numerical representation, with some agreeing on the paradoxical nature of time's beginning while others maintain differing perspectives on the implications of decimal fractions and their relation to time. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Participants explore various assumptions about time, numerical representation, and philosophical implications, but there are limitations in the clarity of definitions and the mathematical steps involved in their arguments.

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Decimal fractions and the number 1

I have wondered about this question. I know it may seem simplistic but maybe someone can explain to me how it occurs. Also, maybe there is a relationship between Mathematics and the concept of TIME.
At the very beginning of TIME, before you get to the first second of existence, you had the start of the first second, for example, let's start at 0.00000001> second. Now, since this number could go on and on indefinitely, how would you ever get to the very first second of TIME? Or, is there some law of mathematics that would jump to the 1 second count because TIME requires that the number stop going to infinitum and proceed to the first (1) second? I have always wondered about this.
 
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To me, the passage of time and representation of numbers are two completely different things. In other words time goes on irrespective of how one writes numbers, and number representations do not effect the passage of time. What is the problem?
 
your concept seems to have similarity to zeno paradoxes of motion and time.
 
numbers, fractions, time

Seems to me that the idea of a start to time is quite paradoxical enough on its own without having to worry about how the first instant or time unit "gets started".

I suppose those loopy-string people are hoping the idea of a start to time is just going to drop out of the equations somehow [very good luck to them, might work] but even if they do, the idea of before-time is a bit mind-boggling from our apparently time-bound perspective, isn't it?
 
Actually what everyone is hoping for is that whichever theory finally works, it will eliminate the singularity at t=0. It will probably also eliminate the continuum on which the Zeno type argument is made. If spacetime points are just "excitations" of some kind from some yet-to-be-discovered underlying stratum, then a convergent point set will be the least of our conceptual worries.
 
continuum, singularity

Hear, hear, SelfAdjoint!

I think we agree roughly, only you understand the issue in rather more detail than I do.

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Many believe that time is quantitative, and that the shortest amount of time possible is approx 1^-43 second, aka Planck time.
 
decimal fractions, time etc

Slight digression, but no-one here has been following the effect of decimalisation of price quoting on American stock exchanges the last couple of years by any chance?

My hunch at the time, and the industry consensus now, was that the increased number of quotable fractions would actually cost customers more not less.

Anyone following that odd example of numbering affecting the underlying reality?

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The number 1 collapsing into zero quantity cannot be considered infinite because the end result(zero) is being premptively defined and thus has limits with respect to "1"
 
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The universe did not begin to exist, it was.
 

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