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| Apr10-07, 05:50 PM | #1 |
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Bush: Border Security Working
Sure it is working in a few places, nice photo op though.
Click on the link, then click on the picture of the stadium lights. http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/177688 The border isn't like that except in a very few places. It is like this: http://www.topofusion.com/aztr/DSC00815.JPG The people smugglers have also become more inventive. They have learned the tricks from their cousins the drug smugglers. |
| Jun16-07, 08:23 AM | #2 |
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Texas National Guardsmen Accused of Smuggling
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=11103551 by John Burnett Plans for 20-Foot Border Wall Rile Texas Residents http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=11118125 |
| Jun16-07, 08:58 AM | #3 |
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| Jul20-07, 01:28 PM | #4 |
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Bush: Border Security Working
I think it's immoral to deny people access to a country. Let people live wherever they want to live without being expelled, evicted, deported or put in prison by the government. No one owns the land of the earth so everyone can be where he wants to be without requesting permission from the government. The earth and it's land belong to everyone equally. No one has a right to more land than another.
For example Canada and Russia are two big countries which are greatly underpopulated. They can let to at least more 200 million people come to their country. They have more than enough space. In an anarchist or communalist society there is no need for government. Eliminate borders. Borders are not necessary in my opinion. Borders only divide people and take away their freedom to live where they want. In anarchism there are no borders. Borders are only necessary if some are going to rule others. Government is a monopoly on violence and this monopoly takes freedom because no one has the right to use violence. Government is never good because it uses violence. If humans are inherently good, they can get along without government. If humans are inherently bad, selfish and violent, then they need some government to restrain them. However that governmet is not allowed to abuse its power or to make laws which hurt others or prohibit and control their freedom of movement. http://www.spunk.org/texts/writers/m.../sp001500.html http://www.infoshop.org/faq/secB2.html |
| Jul20-07, 03:05 PM | #5 |
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There are several studies that show our economy actually receives a benefit from immigration, although it is much easier to control here, because of our location.
http://www.population-growth-migrati...migration.html Perhaps the statue of liberties message should be changed to:- "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"* *but only if they have passed through the proper immigration procedures and are legal. I must admit I like the idea of tackling the root of the problem suggested by Astronuc, rather than the fallout. Of course quick fixes, effective or not, are always going to appeal to the more conservative voters. |
| Jul20-07, 04:31 PM | #6 |
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| Jul21-07, 05:52 AM | #7 |
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| Jul21-07, 07:00 AM | #8 |
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Governments are composed of 'people'. Government policies are established by 'people'. The violence or aggression perpetrated by governments is really violence and aggression by 'people' on other 'people'. It would be nice if people of the world would live peacefully and productively, and care for Nature and the environment, and each other. Unfortunately, the reality is quite different. The world is already divided by differences - primarily in culturally, ethnically and racially. This seems an extension of the tribalism that seems to be a characteristic of humanity. The question is - how to overcome selfishness "the state of being concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself : seeking or concentrating on one's own advantage, pleasure, or well-being without regard for others." Finally, consider the nature of 'private property'. I see the need for 'private property' or more accurately - I need a place or personal space to where I can retreat for peace and quiet. We've drifted off course on the topic. |
| Jul21-07, 07:18 AM | #9 |
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| Jul21-07, 07:39 AM | #10 |
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How would one propose to eliminate inequalities? If I look on a local basis, within 20 km of where I live, there is significant inequality. We have very wealthy folks (and $million estates) and homeless (many or most homeless are mentally ill to some degree). We have people with PhDs and those with limited education (my wife and daughter have been helping a teenage mom whose children were temporarily removed because of her drug problems. The teenage mom has at best a 9th grade education). And there is a spectrum of economic status, education and opportunity. We have two prisons nearby whose inmates have committed murder and violent assault. Those inmates grew up within this society. What does a society/community do with those who may not want to conform and be productive? What does a society/community do with those who want a disproportionate share of the wealth or land? What does a society/community do with those who exploit others? |
| Jul21-07, 07:51 AM | #11 |
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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...AATUZ0C&show=7 http://stephaniefisk.theworldrace.or...lifes-not-fair |
| Jul21-07, 08:33 AM | #12 |
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are you willing to let homeless people live in your house to the point where you cant prepare lunch in your own house because other people have cleaned your fridge? i think not. humans and just about every other living organism on earth is territorial to some degree or another. humans are territorial in a way that reflects ideals instead of family units though.
eliminating boarders would not create 'equality' because the people who build houses wouldn't have anywhere to live because others would sooner move into someone else's house then build their own. the entitlement of people to the fruits of labor should be related to the labor they do that bears fruit. |
| Jul21-07, 08:48 AM | #13 |
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I am simply trying to find a starting point from which to change the world in a more positive direction. That starting point for me is me. I can't change other people - I can't control other people, nor would I want to do so. I can practice justice, fairness and equanimity in my own interactions with people. I can chose not to exploit others - and I don't. I can choose positive interaction and do my best to avoid conflict. However, conflict is inevitable, because there are conflicting interests and desires. An End to Suffering is a worthwhile book to read. It provides an interesting and profound perspective on the modern world. I just finished the book. In conjunction, I have been reading Robert Fisk's "The Great War for Civilization", and equally profound book which looks into many of the modern day conflicts since World War I and the impact of European colonialism.
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| Jul21-07, 09:09 AM | #14 |
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If you ask me in 10,000 years the Earth will probably be much more conglomerated, into states like Europe NAmerican confedaracy. East Asian Bloc, Indian and Sub Himalayan confedaracy. The African nation states and so on. Who knows eventually we may even have one big planetary conglomeration, it's not beyond the realms of possibility, particularly when or if we start colonizing planets.
However the poster is clearly a socialist and his ideas are horrible and unselfish and therefore impractical ![]() I didn't die in two world wars to listen to no pinko propaganda.
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| Jul21-07, 10:38 AM | #15 |
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In my opinion it would have been better if there were no states, so that individuals could go to live where they want without being deported, expelled or imprisoned by the government. Government can make laws which prohibit the freedom of movement. If i want to move to Canada without permission, the government can deport and arrest me. I am only allowed to stay for 3 month and then i must leave. This restricts the freedom of movement for a lot of people who are not authorized by the government to immigrate. Without government, everyone could be free to go wherever he wants without being deported and confined in jail.
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| Jul21-07, 11:15 AM | #16 |
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What states do not want are people who take advantage of the system, and thus represent a burden. It would be great if 'everyone' was honest, kind, hard working, . . . . But REALITY is . . . . What does a community/society do with those who simply take from others or act aggressively and violently upon others? Some people simply cannot control themselves in civilized society, and unfortunately they need to be confined in order to protect other members of society. |
| Jul21-07, 12:50 PM | #17 |
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I mean man is the cruelest animal upon earth. Control of land by states has largely been a matter of historical accident and of course military conquest. Even if the nations somehow managed to have equal amounts of land, I doubt that would do all that much to minimize state tyranny. Again, the question is not whether or not we should eliminate the state, but just exactly how we can eliminate the state. It is far from being a trivial question. Anarchists oppose the state because the state is imperialist and expansionist and it prohibits individuals from living where they want by deporting them and arresting them. http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist...dauthority.htm |
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