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| Jul10-08, 10:01 AM | #1 |
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nonlinear first order DE
Hello:
I discovered this forum while looking for advice on solving a first order nonlinear differential equation. The equation I am trying to solve is dy/dx=(3ay+3bx^2y^2)/(3x-bx^3y) a and b are constants. The equation is not exact, nor is it homogeneous. I have failed to separate the variables by factoring. So the usual methods don't work. Any help or advice will be appreciated. |
| Jul10-08, 04:37 PM | #2 |
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Are you sure it isn't homogeneous?
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| Jul10-08, 05:05 PM | #3 |
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The equation is not homogeneous. See if you can find a work around. Thanks |
| Jul10-08, 05:52 PM | #4 |
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nonlinear first order DE![]() (are you sure it isn't (3ax-bx^3y) on the bottom? anyway …) Hint: first, factor it out as much as you can, then make the obvious substitution.
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| Jul11-08, 09:04 AM | #5 |
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It is 3x and not 3ax. I am going to try an iterative approach. Nothing else seems to work. Thanks |
| Jul11-08, 09:10 AM | #6 |
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Factor it out first!
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| Jul11-08, 05:45 PM | #7 |
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I have tried factoring the equation - but no luck! Can you help with the factoring? Thanks |
| Jul11-08, 06:14 PM | #8 |
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= (3y/x)(a + bx2y)/(3 - bx2y) What's difficult about that? ![]() Now make the obvious substitution …
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| Jul12-08, 08:29 AM | #9 |
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So substitution will not help. |
| Jul12-08, 10:22 AM | #10 |
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I think he meant to substitute new variable x^2 y(x) = f(x) and then separation of variables x and f works.
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| Jul12-08, 12:24 PM | #11 |
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![]() Exactly! ![]() (btw, have you noticed the new x2 and x2 tags on the Reply to thread page? )![]() But obviously it doesn't actually solve the problem. In hindsight, what part of "Now make the obvious substitution" did you not think worth trying? Anyway, as smallphi suggests, put z = x2y … what is dz/dx?
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| Jul12-08, 12:45 PM | #12 |
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To give you a few further hints:
xy=z/x, and y/x=z/(x^3). |
| Jul12-08, 05:03 PM | #13 |
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I tried the substitution; I do get a result even if looks horrible!
I will repeat the calculation, just to make sure. Thanks guys! |
| Jul12-08, 07:03 PM | #14 |
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It shouldn't look horrible. What dz/dx did you get?
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| Jul13-08, 08:16 AM | #15 |
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This is what I get dz/dx=(z/x)((3a+b)+z(3-2b)/(3-bz)) Solving for z gives a bunch of ln terms. |
| Jul13-08, 09:01 AM | #16 |
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| Jul13-08, 10:09 AM | #17 |
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But, it is a solution! If you have a simpler expression I would like to see it. Much appreciate your interest and effort. |
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