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| Mar3-10, 11:42 AM | #35 |
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How were megaliths moved?
My Napkin so far.
Grossly underestimated dimensions of monolith based on human figures in photos. 20m x 4m x 4m = Found this online: My 1967 edition of Baumeister and Marks "Standard Handbook for Mechanical Engineers" lists average density (Lb per cu ft) values ranging from 82 for Sandstone to 107 for Greenstone, Hornblend. Other values given are 95 for Limestone, Marble, Quartz and 96 for Basalt, Granite, Gneiss. And this: 82 pound/cubic foot = 1.313 513 991 1 tonne/cubic meter = 420 metric tonnes or 462 tons 95 pound/cubic foot = 1.521 754 014 1 tonne/cubic meter = 487 metric tonnes or 536 tons So a rough estimate of the minimum weight of the rock is 462 tons. Heavier than two locomotives. in rock, sound can travel anywhere from 4800 to 9200 m/s, so a rough estimate gives So in the horizontal the travel distance for a wave in the rock would be 4m, @ 4800m/s gives a fundamental 1200 Hz standing wave frequency up to 2300 Hz for 9200m/s As to how much energy you could put in, where it would come from, wether it would decrease static and kinetic coeficient of friction and wether it would destroy the rock, I do not know how to estimate that. |
| Mar3-10, 12:08 PM | #36 |
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How come I can't find the Tibetan sound stone levitation on YouTube? According to the following website, the film was to be released by 1990.
Reference: http://www.crystalinks.com/levitationtibet.html By the way, to not bump the other thread about superhuman strength, I here briefly mention that the references for my storys there was not to remember other than old paper magazines, TV and daily news paper sources back then last century, except for the frensh fingerjumper that I'm almost sure was of a translated Readers Digest (already then old, probably from fifties or sixties). The cliffjumper and windowwasher is findable on internet. |
| Mar3-10, 07:53 PM | #37 |
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| Mar3-10, 08:34 PM | #38 |
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Some kind of sonic vibration to move a 500 ton stone?
I don't buy it. Unless, of course, it's the vibration of 500 slaves moving that stone. Very common in that day, you know. |
| Mar4-10, 08:05 AM | #39 |
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Egyptians and Easter islanders, knew that friction could be reduced by putting the stones (or statues) over sleds made with tree trunks. This is likely the reason why the natives exterminated all trees in the island (see Jared Diamond's "Collapse"). |
| Mar4-10, 02:27 PM | #40 |
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| Mar4-10, 02:49 PM | #41 |
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Egypt didn't (largely) use slaves for the pyramids and definitely didn't for the later valley of the kings tombs. |
| Mar5-10, 03:24 AM | #42 |
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So, probably no slaves. |
| Mar5-10, 03:50 AM | #43 |
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| Mar5-10, 11:40 AM | #44 |
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here is a quote from a will hart article regarding the use of manpower to move large stones:
In fact, Lehner set up an experiment to see if it was possible to quarry, move and lift an obelisk weighing one-tenth of what the largest Egyptian obelisks weighed. It was filmed by NOVA and was an utter failure. The team's master stonemason could not quarry the 35-ton obelisk so a bulldozer was called in. They could not move it, a truck was called in. These failures represent a turning a point in the long-standing debate. Lehner actually confirmed what a Japanese team funded by Nissan had already learned in 1979, it is not possible to duplicate what the ancients did using primitive tools and methods. Team Nissan was trying to prove something and they were very confident. But when they could not begin to excavate the blocks of stone they planned on using for their small scale-model of the Great Pyramid with ancient tools they turned to jackhammers. When they tried to ferry the blocks they quarried across the river on a primitive barge, the stones sank. When a boat got them across the river they discovered that the sledges sank in the sand. They called trucks in to move the blocks to the site. Once at the site they could not manipulate the blocks into place and found, to their ultimate embarrassment, that they could not bring the four walls together into an apex despite the deployment of helicopters. |
| Mar5-10, 02:01 PM | #45 |
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There are a number of successful experiments proving that megaliths could be cut moved and oplaced using relatively small groups of people and rather quickly.
Here is one such successful experiment done on Easter Island. |
| Mar5-10, 03:09 PM | #46 |
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Worth of remembering that our current attempts - no matter how educated guesses we did - are probably just a good starting point for fine tuning, which will increase the efficiency. And our ancestors were probably much better at fine tuning with whatever lied around than we are - just a matter of personal experience.
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| Mar5-10, 03:39 PM | #47 |
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His oldest son became a carpenter, too, but his Skil-Saws, electric drills, etc were un-welcome in the old guy's shop. He always said he'd rather take a few extra hours to build something so he wouldn't have to listen to all that racket. |
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