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| Mar13-11, 11:09 AM | #52 |
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Japan Earthquake: nuclear plants
Last time I checked with a proportional counter (friday) background (indoors) was 5-10cps...
The significance of those number also depends on the type of radiation and the place where the contamination is on/in the body. Just cps or cps says nothing really. |
| Mar13-11, 11:18 AM | #53 |
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| Mar13-11, 11:42 AM | #54 |
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Another concern with the loss of the top part of the building is the spent fuel pool. I believe that the SPF is within the structure that was destroyed. If the water in the SPF was lost during the blast, the spent fuel can overheat and potentially melt. With no structure to contain the environment above the SPF any release of radiation would be freely vented to the outside. Also, I believe that the unit-1 reactor is a BWR/4 design by GE with a MK-1 containment design. I believe this is typical with the wet-well torus design used to suppress a Loss of Coolant Accident (LOCA) within the primary containment. Any steam would be directed to the wet well where it would exit the venting system submerged, and thus condense and relieve any pressure buildup. |
| Mar13-11, 11:54 AM | #55 |
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It does appear that the spent fuel pool is in the upper level of the contaiment, unless they have it in another building adjacent to containment.
I hope they are maintaining cooling there too. ![]() It would appear from pictures that the overhead crane is probably damaged, and possibly the fuel handling machine(s). |
| Mar13-11, 12:06 PM | #56 |
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Are the pumps they are using to pump seawater for reactor cooling motor driven or steam turbine driven? Are these the pumps designed for this emergency cooling or an alternate configuration?
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| Mar13-11, 12:16 PM | #57 |
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Basically these Fire Pumps are only used as a last resort, when all else fails. I know plants here in the U.S. also have Fire Pumps available in case of worst-case scenarios, like loss of site power and loss of all Emergency Diesel Generators. |
| Mar13-11, 12:51 PM | #58 |
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Here are some pictures and sketches of a BWR. I got them from a good site if your interested in learning more on nuclear power plants, http://www.nucleartourist.com/
Another cutaway of a BWR/3 or BWR/4 with MK-1 containment: http://www.nucleartourist.com/imagemaps/rx-bldg1.jpg Pictures of reactor building floor during refueling outage. I believe this is looking inside the part of the building that was destroyed: http://www.nucleartourist.com/images/rflg-fl2.jpg http://www.nucleartourist.com/images/rflg-fl1.jpg Reactor head being lifted during refueling. They have already lifted the top of the primary containment, which is a very thick steel-reinforced concrete cover and weighs many tons. (notice people near reactor are wearing protective suits): http://www.nucleartourist.com/images/headlift.jpg Pictures of inside of torus: http://www.nucleartourist.com/images/torus1.jpg http://www.nucleartourist.com/images/torus2.jpg Sketch of emergency cooling systems: (Note, this appears to be from a later design BWR, probably BWR/5 or BWR/6. The systems will be similar however for the BWR/3 or /4: http://www.nucleartourist.com/images/nmp-g3.gif |
| Mar13-11, 01:48 PM | #59 |
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The same pdf also says: "A radiation level exceeding 500 microSv/h was monitored at the site boundary (15:29, March 12)." Also this sounds as if the meters had maxed out. If a school yard gets contaminated like that, local agriculture is in big trouble. |
| Mar13-11, 01:59 PM | #60 |
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But it seems indicative of a large surface contamination over quite a large area, which means that the amount of radioactivity that was released is large. The Japanese authorities should be able to give estimates on how many becquerel of activity were released into the environment. This cannot have been a negligible amount. |
| Mar13-11, 02:00 PM | #61 |
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As a lapsed geographer of many years (and a Mum) trying to explain not only the earthquake and the tsunami but also what on earth is going on with the reactors to her teenage son thank you for posting such helpful information - it's certainly keeping me up to date in a way that the media aren't.[
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| Mar13-11, 05:07 PM | #62 |
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Another indication that there was a major release of radioactivity: Dutch radio just reported that the enhanced radiation levels at Onaga would be due to wind-driven activity from Fukushima.
This reminds me of how the Chernobyl accident first became public when radiation monitors at a Swedish reactor showed high levels of radiation. |
| Mar13-11, 05:11 PM | #63 |
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There is some concern about the spent fuel pool at FK-I, Unit 1 and whether or not it went dry. I would hope they have checked that. NEI has put together a pretty informative page/site: http://www.nei.org/newsandevents/inf...n-that-region/ The have a general BWR Mk I diagram http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/...orDesign_3.jpg |
| Mar13-11, 05:41 PM | #64 |
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Anyway, if that indeed came from over 50 miles upwind, the release at Fukushima was gigantic. Which means that the authorities have been lying. |
| Mar13-11, 06:41 PM | #65 |
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microsievert per what? 21 uSv is 2.1 mR. Typical backgrounds are 1 mR/day.
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| Mar13-11, 07:16 PM | #66 |
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My point is not that it would be terribly dangerous at Onagawa, but that the amount of activity released at Fukushima was massive. |
| Mar13-11, 07:36 PM | #67 |
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1 μSv = 0.1 mrem Nominal background = 2400 μSv/yr or about 0.27 μSv/hr http://www.unscear.org/docs/reports/gareport.pdf So the activity is not so clear. Meanwhile - reports indicate that the activity at the Onagawa has returned to normal, so the increase in activity was transient rather than ongoing. While the release of radioactive material from Fukushima is significant, it is premature to call it massive (and massive has not been quantified). |
| Mar13-11, 07:41 PM | #68 |
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And where was it measured? When I was an environmental process chemist at a pulp mill, we measured emissions as far from the plant as legally allowable. Games that the EPA allows businesses to engage in.
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