Help with Early Welsh & Middle English


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Penn, ysgwyddau, coesau, traed, coesau, traed
Penn, ysgwyddau, coesau, traed, coesau, traed
a llygaid, clustiau, trwyn a cheg
Penn, ysgwyddau, coesau, traed, coesau, traed

Head, shoulders, knees and toes - the Welsh version - it's things like this that will help you recognise the Welsh. If you look through your links you'll see some of these words pop up and they're the same as modern Welsh.
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Quote Quote by Evo View Post
I don't intend to be able to speak it, just enough to recognize what a word means.
And why not, really?

There are probably lots of interesting historical documents that no one has bothered to translate into modern English from Welsh, since the specialists studying them have learnt the language anyway.

Just like a substantial amount of Latin texts never have been translated.

Go, go, Evo!
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I don't intend to be able to speak it, just enough to recognize what a word means. I am looking fo some sources of help.
Maybe this would be useful.
http://www.geiriadur.net/
http://www.trinitysaintdavid.ac.uk/e...tancelearning/

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/m/med/
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Jun4-11, 05:32 PM
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Quote Quote by wasteofo2 View Post
I don't know anything about those languages, but these communities of language learners might be able to help you:

http://forum.wordreference.com/
http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/default.asp

Good luck
Thanks guys!
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I am unsure of what you mean by Early Welsh?

Welsh is at least as old as Latin, it's roots go back to the pre Roman times.

Middle English is usually taken as the language of Chaucer ca1300s and 1400s

Owen Glendower was a Welsh rebel leader about this time so there is much lore about him.

So by Early Welsh do you mean the Welsh contemporaneous with Middle English or earlier?
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Jun4-11, 06:50 PM
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Quote Quote by Studiot View Post
I am unsure of what you mean by Early Welsh?

Welsh is at least as old as Latin, it's roots go back to the pre Roman times.

Middle English is usually taken as the language of Chaucer ca1300s and 1400s

Owen Glendower was a Welsh rebel leader about this time so there is much lore about him.

So by Early Welsh do you mean the Welsh contemporaneous with Middle English or earlier?
Yes, as I mentioned earlier the period I need help with is from the 12th to 14th century. I've been using this book.

http://www.archive.org/stream/introd...age/x/mode/2up
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Would this be of any help,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Triads?
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Jun5-11, 01:05 PM
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Quote Quote by wolram View Post
oooh, thanks Wolram. One of my books mentions a lot of the triads, like the "Three mighty Swineherds", but I did not know the source of all of these references.
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Jun5-11, 01:13 PM
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Most Universities in Wales have a Welsh Language Service

eg

http://www.swan.ac.uk/registry/welsh...ndtranslation/


This one will translate short passages for free.

http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/welshlangua...ice/index.html

They are worth contacting.

http://www.google.co.uk/#sclient=psy...w=1004&bih=581
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Jun5-11, 01:20 PM
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Quote Quote by Studiot View Post
Most Universities in Wales have a Welsh Language Service

eg

http://www.swan.ac.uk/registry/welsh...ndtranslation/


This one will translate short passages for free.

http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/welshlangua...ice/index.html

They are worth contacting.

http://www.google.co.uk/#sclient=psy...w=1004&bih=581
Thanks!!!

Ooh, all of this info is great!


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