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Nov7-11, 10:59 AM   #86
 

US Debt now > GDP


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Cost more than where? New York city? San Francisco? I don't think so.
I should have specified - more than in other locations in the region - such as Cleveland or Erie.
Nov7-11, 10:59 AM   #87
 
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Cost more than where? New York city? San Francisco? I don't think so.
Everything that enters the city needs to go through a tunnel or over a mountian and then across a bridge. there is approximatly 2 sq miles of flat land in the city and that is the "downtown" area. New york is mostly flat and has port access San Fran also has port access as well as a roadsystem that was designed by an engineer as the city expanded.

For instance the small town I live in was founded in 1680 something (9 miles south of center of downtown) the only options for getting into town are 2 lane roads with 35 mile an hour speed limits and red lights every couple hundred yards. Crossing through more then a dozen police jurisdictions. It takes 45 minutes to get into town with out traffic. Or you can drive 30 miles and cricle around and come in I-279 and it still takes 45 minutes with out traffic.

Anyway lets get back on topic
Nov7-11, 12:07 PM   #88
 
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New york is mostly flat and has port access San Fran also has port access as well as a roadsystem that was designed by an engineer as the city expanded.
And have tidal water flows and hydraulic water tables to deal with and an extremely high land values, labor costs, etc.
Nov7-11, 01:00 PM   #89
 
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And have tidal water flows and hydraulic water tables to deal with and an extremely high land values, labor costs, etc.
Land values and Labor costs are Geography now?

I never said most expensive I also do not think it matters every location will have its problems. Regardless infrastructuire spending is important but it should not be debt spending and perferabbly not federal funding at all.
Nov7-11, 02:14 PM   #90
 
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....problems. Regardless infrastructuire spending is important but it should not be debt spending and perferabbly not federal funding at all.
Agreed.
Nov7-11, 02:16 PM   #91
 
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Agreed.
Thirded.
Nov12-11, 09:49 PM   #92
 
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I read something interesting today:

" New rules taking effect in the course of the decade will force banks to set aside at least minimal sums to cover the risk of government bonds. The so-called Basel III banking rules approved by the G-20 last year would require banks to hold capital reserves equal to at least 3 percent of all their holdings, regardless of the perceived risk. That rule, intended to prevent banks from taking on too much leverage or gaming banking regulations, would also apply to government bonds. But the rule, known as a leverage ratio, would not take effect until 2018 and could still change."
http://www.americanfuture.net/tag/eu...-central-bank/

I wonder what implications this will have on future interest rates on government debt.
Dec9-11, 06:07 PM   #93
 
I finally figured it out. It's all political humbug, the 40 cts on the dollar borrowing being bad.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-last-quarter/

The US didn't get any poorer, the debt is shifting from households to the government. They are just keeping the equilibrium in place at a lower interest rate.
Dec9-11, 06:15 PM   #94
 
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I like the idea of capping debt to 1% under GDP.
Dec9-11, 06:21 PM   #95
 
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I like the idea of capping debt to 1% under GDP.
Yeah well, I don't understand economics, it's just a theory.
Dec10-11, 04:35 PM   #96
 
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I like the idea of capping debt to 1% under GDP.
The Republicans just tried something like that by blocking the debt limit increase for awhile. The Democrat's heads almost exploded.

Dec16-11, 04:10 PM   #97
 
I still think wowwees point about towns that can not afford to maintain infrastructure is important.
Dec16-11, 07:08 PM   #98
 
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How did these places originally afford to build this expensive infrastructure that they're no longer capable of maintaining?
Dec16-11, 07:24 PM   #99

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How did these places originally afford to build this expensive infrastructure that they're no longer capable of maintaining?
Probably "One settler, one pick, one shovel." Life was simpler back then.

Sewer repair and construction in London, 1845:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...x440_popup.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...x440_popup.jpg
Dec20-11, 09:42 PM   #100
 
Given the huge chunk of our budget health care takes every year, perhaps instead of concerning ourselves with cutting this program or that, and frankly whining, people should get off their lazy boys, exercise, and stop having preventable illnesses?

If anyone's to blame, its everyone.
Jan31-12, 10:00 AM   #101
 
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Latest report from the CBO:http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=12699

A new budget report released Tuesday predicts the government will run a $1.1 trillion deficit in the fiscal year that ends in September, a slight dip from last year but still very high by any measure.

The Congressional Budget Office report also says that annual deficits will remain in the $1 trillion range for the next several years if Bush-era tax cuts slated to expire in December are extended, as commonly assumed.

The CBO study also predicts modest economic growth of 2 percent this year and forecasts that the unemployment rate will remain above 8 percent this year. That is based on an assumption that President Barack Obama will fail to win renewal of payroll tax cuts and jobless benefits by the end of next month.
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The CBO report shows that the deficit dilemma would largely be solved if the tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 — and renewed in 2010 through the end of this year — were allowed to lapse. Under that scenario, the deficit would drop to $585 billion in 2013 and to $220 billion in 2017.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_1...1.1t-cbo-says/

Congressional Budget Office reports another $1 trillion deficit
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/72205.html
Jan31-12, 10:25 AM   #102
 
The odd thing is that despite the growing public debt, the interest on public debt remains really low -probably that low that value is being destroyed,- for which I have no explanation except for that the money doesn't have anywhere else to go.

Is there anyone who really understands that phenomenon? I have an hypothesis that with the housing bubble that much money was created that, after it deflated, all that money has to move from private to public debt or otherwise the financial system blows up. But that hypothesis may well be horsedung.

And I am still not sure whether federal public debt is 70% or 100% of US GDP since different numbers are sometimes reported. What are the real numbers?
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