Ford 429 Engine Question


by average guy
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average guy
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#19
Feb6-12, 11:23 AM
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fahlin racing
in your opinion are the 429-460 heads on a par
with Chrysler 383-440 and GM 396-454 heads?
basically ok but nothing to right home about?

2 mile high
i'll take that as a jibe and not jibe back at you
so it's not misunderstood.

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#20
Feb6-12, 06:11 PM
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Well, that all depends on what castings you get. Pre smog heads are desirable. The D3VE smog heads are the most desirable up until 1986. I could not tell you what EFI heads are desirable though 1987 to 1999. Chryslers 440 lasted up to 1978 in regular passenger vehicles, a couple years more they were used in RVs I believe.

Between the Chevy, Chrysler and Ford BBs each era of castings have different characteristics so depending on what you have for an application, you could pick and choose. Anything from the factory can be improved somewhat. Depends if the castings have what is known as core shift when they are being poured. The big displacement engines usually have more meat within the casting around the ports etc as far as the american V8s go which helps. Fords 385 series engines always had large intake ports. Chevy BB engines have small and large ports. Not too sure on Chrysler's though.

Each engine family of Ford has a different valve cover bolt count and shape. The FT & FE series engines are the only ones that share the exact same valve covers. If you want to see a small version of the 385 series heads look at the 335 series engines. The Boss 302 used the design as well, although different just like the 351C Boss and the 429 Boss. Each engine has a similar head. Makes the top end of a SBC look like a runt compared to the 302Boss or basic 351C.

I don't think 460s ever came with a 2V carb either, probably the same about the 429. I have been dusting off my brain cells to get this info out lol. I need to work on my engine database some more since my last one was lost when my other computer crashed. I had 2+ years into it, it was a bummer when it went bye bye.
average guy
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#21
Feb6-12, 06:22 PM
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fahlin racing
come again about regular 429-460 being like
the really good 351 cleveland or windsor heads.
i'm thinking of small block ford heads with some
HUGE ports stock.
let me know if you want me to pm you about
avoiding another computer oh-no! and a
junkman story.

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#22
Feb6-12, 06:31 PM
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Well its more like, the 351C and 302BOSS were like the 429-460 385 series engines. Second, you can't put windsor heads on a 335 series mill, vice versa.

Depends on many variables to choose heads etc.

What are you doing exactly with a 429 or 460 Ford?
average guy
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#23
Feb6-12, 07:05 PM
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fahlin racing
i saw some heads a long time ago and
the ports were massive.
pretty sure they were stock and i thought
they were ford.
CONSIDERING 429-460. if no huge ports i'll
just hold with chrysler 440.
regarding data loss and your junkman reference,
use HARDWARE RAID 1 on an ASUS motherboard
and i blew the deal on Cadillac 500 cu in.
off it went to mr junkman.

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average guy
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#24
Feb6-12, 09:01 PM
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fahlin
here it is:
'The '4V' heads had massive ports and valves compared to the '2V'. Both had the valves canted to the sides in a "poly-angle". The '2V' head had a open, almost hemispherical shaped combustion chamber while the '4V' sported a Quench type combustion chamber. The Cleveland has a very square type rocker cover while the Windsor has a more rounded end cover.'
from wikipedia.
Ford 302 with 4 barrel heads.
all that's left is to see if Cleveland 351 had them.
check out 429 and 460 non Cobra Jet heads.

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Fahlin Racing
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#25
Feb7-12, 04:57 AM
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Yeah. The water ports if I remember right are different on the 302 Boss though. The 2V & 4V are both factory heads. I have a 351C 2V engine in my garage. The 429-460 mills are what these engine's (302Boss & 335 series engine) heads were derived from. If you have ever seen a BBC head, you have a general sense what a 385 series Ford is like in terms of size.
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#26
Feb7-12, 05:03 AM
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It seems you are looking for a big engine project asking these questions. I haven't had the opportunity to work on a 440ci Mopar yet. Someday maybe. Enjoy your project.
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#27
Feb7-12, 12:08 PM
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Quote Quote by Fahlin Racing View Post
Yeah. The water ports if I remember right are different on the 302 Boss though. The 2V & 4V are both factory heads. I have a 351C 2V engine in my garage. The 429-460 mills are what these engine's (302Boss & 335 series engine) heads were derived from. If you have ever seen a BBC head, you have a general sense what a 385 series Ford is like in terms of size.
Rectangle port or oval port?
average guy
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#28
Feb7-12, 01:51 PM
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fahlin
one good reason i'm looking into fords too is
if i run across ANYTHING in the future
and it's junk price or 'take it away' i'll
grab it and take it home.
it can be not my make but i'll save it from
being scrapped.
fahlin mr 2 mile hi is keeping us on our toes.
yes there are small and large port chevy heads.
big block i think, something about oval ports.

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#29
Feb7-12, 06:10 PM
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I do the same thing, I grab up old engines and parts, etc when I can as well.

Oval, the 429-460 Fords only have oval induction ports 2mile.
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#30
Feb7-12, 11:26 PM
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fahlin
i'm thinking of expanding the 'saving from junkman'.
old outboard motors and stuff like that.
just a couple bucks though!

are 429-460 heads EQUAL to best 351C heads?
equal to the better ford cast iron heads
except 427 SOHC and 429 big valve cover motor?
just want to be clear on this.

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#31
Feb8-12, 07:39 PM
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You would have to look for testing done on what you are asking about. You are talkng about 3 different head designs. Second you are involving 3 different engine families.

Basic 429-460s utilize a polysperical design, 335 series 351C etc are polysperical. You can call this canted if you like for either. The 427 SOHC is a full hemi head, the 429 Boss is a polysperical design but the valves are rotated as well.

I would look into engine literature if you want to know the fine details.
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#32
Feb8-12, 11:14 PM
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fahlin
429/460 are 2.19 intake and Cobra Jet/Super Cobra Jet are 2.25 intake.
ports are equally big on both.
6 grand plus more for .06" bigger intake valve? no thanks.
429/460 gets my vote.
when you said you might try Mopar 440.
a word to the wise.
i'm a refugee from Mopardom.
Resto guys have driven up prices for everything.
also.
429/460 has later year run.
increases chances of finding complete engines and
parts in nicey nice condition.

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#33
Feb9-12, 06:14 PM
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There is more to the picture than just the valve size bud. And 6000 or whatever it was for some heads, I believe that was about the Boss heads, correct? thats a whole different ball game.

Standard 429 or 460 heads will be much less hands down completely rebuilt. I live by a few scrapyards, one which has a 440 in an RV that I know of. I dont think its moving too fast either.

Just remember, HUGE ports DO NOT mean anything unless you have the right velocities, no flow seperation etc (correct application). Many variables! The advertisements all promote CFM, which leads to misunderstanding of how you are filling the cylinders in reality.

Enjoy your findings.
average guy
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#34
Feb9-12, 10:02 PM
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fahlin
about the 440, jump on it!

regarding 460 and i
'i thought and i bought'
of all things that might have been Ford slogan.
it's 460 for me. case closed.

all that stuff about flow rates, i'm not interested
in cutting things that fine.

if 460 doesn't make power i'm covered.
i'll just say:
'well that fahlin guy said get one.'

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#35
Feb10-12, 02:43 AM
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Quote Quote by average guy View Post
all that stuff about flow rates, i'm not interested
in cutting things that fine.
So you aren't interested in what makes it work properly?

Which is exactly what you did in the transmission thread.

if 460 doesn't make power i'm covered.
i'll just say:
'well that fahlin guy said get one.'
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This is an engineering forum, perhaps it would be a good idea to apply at least some thought to making it work.

At this rate it sounds like you'll have a mismatched head and block, making no power. Attached to a transmission with the gears removed, fixed in too high a ratio to be useful.
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#36
Feb10-12, 12:04 PM
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chris
ok.i thought i put in here that
i found out somewhere else this:

429/460 heads intake valve size is close
to Cobra Jet valve size.

both intake & exhaust ports on 429/460 are big although there was something about
working on exhaust ports.

it may not be tons of info but it is something.

regarding trans i don't think it's a real big deal.

you're acting like i'm taking corn that could be
used to feed starving people around the world
to make bio diesel. ( that's one of my pet peeves. )

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