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Feb15-12, 05:21 PM   #1
 

Epsilon Delta Limit.


For part A, (described here: http://www.cramster.com/solution/solution/1157440) I don't understand why they say |x-2| < 1 and why [itex]\delta[/itex] = min{1,ε/5}

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lim x2+2x-5 = 3, x [itex]\rightarrow[/itex] 2
Let ε > 0 and L = 3.

|x2 + 2x -5 -3| < ε
|x2 + 2x - 8| < ε
|x+4||x-2| < ε

If |x-2| < 1, x [itex]\rightarrow[/itex] (1,3) [itex]\rightarrow[/itex] x+2 [itex]\in[/itex] (3,5)
|x-2| < 1 [itex]\rightarrow[/itex] |x+2| < 5
|x-2| < 1 [itex]\rightarrow[/itex] |x2 +2x - 8| = |x-4||x+2| < 5|x-4|

For ε > 0, 5|x-4| < ε [itex]\rightarrow[/itex] |x-4| < [itex]\frac{ε}{5}[/itex]

If [itex]\delta[/itex] = min{1,[itex]\frac{ε}{5}[/itex]}
|x-2| < [itex]\delta[/itex] [itex]\rightarrow[/itex] |x2 + 2x - 8| < 5|x-4| < ε
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hi ƒ(x)!
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I don't understand why they say |x-2| < 1 and why [itex]\delta[/itex] = min{1,ε/5}

|x+4||x-2| < ε
because if δ < 1, then |x+4| < 5

and if δ < ε/5, then |x-2| < ε/5 (obviously!)
so |x+4||x-2| < 5*ε/5 = ε
(though i don't see why they say |x-2| < 1 either )
Feb15-12, 05:40 PM   #3
 
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hi ƒ(x)!


because if δ < 1, then |x+4| < 5

and if δ < ε/5, then |x-2| < ε/5 (obviously!)
so |x+4||x-2| < 5*ε/5 = ε
(though i don't see why they say |x-2| < 1 either )
Can you explain yourself a little further? I tend to be rather slow about this kind of thing.
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Epsilon Delta Limit.


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Can you explain yourself a little further? I tend to be rather slow about this kind of thing.
you want the product to be < ε

one easy way to do this (there are others) is to make one of them < 1 and the other < ε

but that won't work in this case, since |4+x| isn't going to be < 1
however, it will be < 5,

so we make one of them < 5 and the other < ε/5
Feb15-12, 06:03 PM   #5
 
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you want the product to be < ε

one easy way to do this (there are others) is to make one of them < 1 and the other < ε

but that won't work in this case, since |4+x| isn't going to be < 1
however, it will be < 5,

so we make one of them < 5 and the other < ε/5
So, for a different problem, part (c) on the link, I have:

lim x^3 + 2x + 1 = 4, x --> 1

Let ε > and L = 4

|x-1| < δ, |x^3 +2x - 3| < ε

But this one doesn't factor...[EDIT] wait, yes it does (I peeked at the solution, how do I factor this by myself?).

|x-1||x^2 + x + 3| < ε
Feb16-12, 04:05 AM   #6
 
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hi ƒ(x)!

(just got up …)

ok, so |x-1| < δ,

and you can obviously choose x near 4 so that |x2 + x + 3| < 33 …
so how would you finish the proof?
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But this one doesn't factor...[EDIT] wait, yes it does (I peeked at the solution, how do I factor this by myself?).
you just have to guess …

in an exam, they won't give you anything difficult, so start with ±1, and work your way upwards!
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