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Jun1-12, 05:48 AM   #1
 

Calculus 3: Chain rule


1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

If x=yz and y=2sin(y+z), find dx/dy

2. Relevant equations

Chain rule

3. The attempt at a solution

From y = 2sin(y+z) we get
dz/dy= (1-2cos(y+z))/(2cos(y+z))
dz/dy=((1/2)sec(y+z) - 1)

dx/dy = ∂x/∂y + ∂x/∂z dz/dy
= z + y ((1/2)sec(y+z) - 1)
= z - y - (1/2) sec(y+z)

But the answer is z-y+tan(y+z) (Mathematical methods in the physical sciences, Boas, Ch. 4 Sec 7 Problem 1)

What is going wrong?
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Jun1-12, 06:26 AM   #2
 
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Hi AlonsoMcLaren!
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From y = 2sin(y+z) we get
dz/dy= (1-2cos(y+z))/(2cos(y+z))
Nooo
Jun1-12, 06:28 AM   #3
 
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Hi AlonsoMcLaren!


Nooo
So how to calculate dz/dy?
Jun1-12, 06:31 AM   #4
 
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Calculus 3: Chain rule


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Jun1-12, 06:35 AM   #5
 
y - 2sin(y+z) = 0

Let f=y - 2sin(y+z)
Then ∂f/∂y = 1 - 2cos(y+z)
∂f/∂z = -2cos(y+z)

0 = df = (∂f/∂y)dy+(∂f/∂z)dz
= (1-2cos(y+z)) dy - 2 cos(y+z) dz

dz/dy = (1-2cos(y+z))/(2cos(y+z))
Jun1-12, 06:45 AM   #6
 
Quote by AlonsoMcLaren View Post
1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

If x=yz and y=2sin(y+z), find dx/dy

2. Relevant equations

Chain rule

3. The attempt at a solution

From y = 2sin(y+z) we get
dz/dy= (1-2cos(y+z))/(2cos(y+z))
dz/dy=((1/2)sec(y+z) - 1)

dx/dy = ∂x/∂y + ∂x/∂z dz/dy
= z + y ((1/2)sec(y+z) - 1)
= z - y - (1/2) sec(y+z)

But the answer is z-y+tan(y+z) (Mathematical methods in the physical sciences, Boas, Ch. 4 Sec 7 Problem 1)

What is going wrong?
First of all differentiate y=2sin(y+z) with respect to y. From chain rule, we obtain

$$ 1=2cos(y+z) $$

Now solve for y and then I think you can solve it.
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sorry, that is right

you've just left out a y when you expanded this bracket …
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dx/dy = ∂x/∂y + ∂x/∂z dz/dy
= z + y ((1/2)sec(y+z) - 1)
= z - y - (1/2) sec(y+z)
Jun1-12, 07:01 AM   #8
 
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sorry, that is right

you've just left out a y when you expanded this bracket …
So how does it lead to z-y+tan(y+z)?
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x/dy = ∂x/∂y + ∂x/∂z dz/dy

= z + y ((1/2)sec(y+z) - 1)

= z - y - (1/2) y sec(y+z)
= … ?
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