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| Jul20-12, 02:03 PM | #18 |
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Does the first two-digit number have to be 10?It is just interesting to think about. |
| Jul20-12, 02:14 PM | #19 |
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The rationals have a similar system, but the representation isn't unique (i.e. 1/1 = 2/2 = 3/3...). Most irrationals can't be defined (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definable_real_number). So we certainly can't put a method in place to name them all. |
| Jul20-12, 02:15 PM | #20 |
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I, II, III, IIII, IIIII... is precisely such a system. In effect, the Roman numeral system is such a system. They are not, of course, place number system, which is what you need to get "10" as the "first two digit number". And it is very awkward, though, of course, not impossible, to write very large numbers or fractional numbers.
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| Jul20-12, 02:24 PM | #21 |
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In addition, some of those numerals would be rather difficult to distinguish from one another. There is a notion of radix "efficiency" where the cost of each digit is taken as proportional to the number of possible digits at that position. The cost of expressing a number x in radix r is then approximated by r * ln(x)/ln(r). For purposes of comparison a relevant figure of merit is e * ln(r)/r By this measure of efficiency: Radix 2 = 94.2% Radix "e" = 100% Radix 3 = 99.5% Radix 4 = 94.2% Radix 10 = 62.6% Radix 16,777,216 = 0.0002.70% |
| Jul20-12, 02:25 PM | #22 |
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There actually HAVE been computers that didn't use binary, specifically one that used decimal (using what's called BCD --- binary coded decimal) and actually performed decimal, not binary arithmetic, |
| Jul20-12, 02:39 PM | #23 |
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And yes, very clever saying that we have such a system in place now. I guess I should have been more specific in what I actually mean. Which is hard for me because I am not quite sure myself! To the OPs point, we start repeating symbols in our numeral system. In essence, base 10 starts to repeat symbols for integers once we get to 10. The symbol one has been repeated for both 1 and 10. I consider here 10 a combination of two symbols 1 and 0. Furthermore, Decimals like .2 reuse the symbol for 2. In the system I was trying to imagine, .2 would have reused the symbol for the number 2. I am probably talking gibberish now. So I'll stop. Thanks again for the article. |
| Jul20-12, 09:59 PM | #24 |
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I'm sure some primitive civilizations once used all different symbols for their number system, but people since then have learnt of the power of combinations of symbols. In fact, doesn't Mandarin (Chinese) use all different characters in its language to represent syllables? It must be a weird feeling to be able to read road signs and such but then you pick up a newspaper and get stuck on the first few characters. |
| Jul20-12, 10:34 PM | #25 |
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Then you have a separate set of Chinese characters used by financial institutions, because the standard characters are geometrically simple and are easy to forge. See this Wikipedia article. |
| Jul20-12, 10:52 PM | #26 |
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There is website that advocates the use of hexadecimal, even changing the way we tell time (hexclock). Advocacy to use hexadecimal numbers is not new. See this book, published in 1862. Of course, it's not practical for the world to change the way we count and do math today, but I find it interesting to think about. |
| Jul20-12, 11:55 PM | #27 |
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| Jul21-12, 06:45 AM | #28 |
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