What is the motion of a particle that fails the velocity selector?

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The discussion centers on the motion of charged particles in mass spectrometry, specifically focusing on those that do not pass through a velocity selector. Participants explore the nature of the particle's trajectory when it fails to meet the criteria for selection, considering various mathematical descriptions and physical models.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the function of velocity selectors in mass spectrometry, noting that selected particles travel without deflection, while those not selected do not follow a simple parabolic or circular path.
  • Another participant suggests that the discussion may be more appropriate for the engineering section of the forum.
  • A participant mentions that ions in the magnetic field follow circular arc paths, implying that the selection process involves adjusting the slit to filter ions based on their speed.
  • It is proposed that both parabolic and circular paths can approximate the motion of particles in the velocity selector, depending on the configuration of the electric and magnetic fields.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of a cycloid as the path of a particle, providing a mathematical description involving initial velocity, magnetic field, and electric field parameters.
  • Another participant offers to provide further working details if needed, indicating a willingness to elaborate on the mathematical aspects discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the particle's motion, with some proposing circular or parabolic approximations, while others suggest a cycloidal path. No consensus is reached regarding the definitive description of the motion for particles that fail the velocity selector.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the conditions under which the particle's path is described, including the influence of the electric and magnetic field strengths and the specific parameters of the particle's initial conditions.

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in mass spectrometry, velocity selectors are used to select charged particles with a certain velocity.

They use perpendicular electric and magnetic fields. Particles whose velocities equal the ratio of the electric field strength to magnetic flux density are not deflected and are thus "selected"

but what is the motion of a particle which is not selected?

It is neither parabolic nor circular. What is the mathematical equation to describe the particle's path wrt time?
 
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should i move this to the engineering section instead?
 
when the ions pass into the magnetic field section they have circular arc paths.
You can imagine the slit being moveable, slide it across and it selects the ions with the appropriate arc... ie speed.
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surprised you have not had any other input to your question.
 
Both a parabola and a circle are a good approximation for the path in the velocity selector. If your electric and magnetic fields fill the whole space, you will get the sum of a linear and a circular motion.

Edit: See Philip Woods post for equations, and I can confirm them.
 
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Edit: I've changed the notation to bring out the Physics better.

Its path is a cycloid.

Suppose you launch it from the origin, with initial velocity v0 in the x-direction. Let the magnetic field be B in the z-direction, and the electric field E in the y-direction. Then, unless I've slipped somewhere (quite possible):

[tex]x=\frac{1}{\omega}\left(v_0 - v_{eq}\right)\:sin{\omega t} + v_{eq}t[/tex]
[tex]y=\frac{1}{\omega}\left(v_0 - v_{eq}\right)\:\left(cos{\omega t} - 1\right)[/tex]

in which [itex]\omega = \frac{qB}{m}[/itex] ,

and [itex]v_{eq} = \frac{E}{B}[/itex] = speed particle would have to have to be undeflected.

Working can be supplied on thumb-nail if wanted.
 
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Lamarr: is this what you wanted?
 

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