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Sep14-12, 11:46 PM   #18
 

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It's because when I started eating healthier I was making more of the neurotransmitters, and not being used to all those neurotransmitters, I got symptoms of mood disorder and my ADHD got worse. And I only eat food that I find appealing, which for me right now is the healthy stuff I mentioned. The mood swings clear up with the valerian however.

And I DO space between paragraphs... well I press enter anyway, what do I have to do double space?

It appears I picked the wrong forum to discuss in... can we move it somewhere else before the moderators ban me? My cat got banned from the forums on Chess.com because he... threatened to bite others I guess?
Generally what we mean is to press double enter, not enter once.

Like this.

"It appears I picked the wrong forum to discuss in... can we move it somewhere else before the moderators ban me? My cat got banned from the forums on Chess.com because he... threatened to bite others I guess?"

Loll.. they won't ban you, you can always give me a message to chat. Or if you would like to create a topic just for discussion of random things then there is an appropriate forum for that around here. In this forum topics should be more or less about academic guidance -- hence the name of the forum.
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Sep15-12, 01:30 AM   #20
 
Cool, thank you ^^

And I told my cat he can has a new account on his birthday this month... that is if he is willing to learn to speak proper English and behave instead of acting and talking like a retarded LOLCAT (he's not the only cat on that website you know...)
His name on that site is WeisseSchachlade2109 by the way...

So does anybody have any thoughts on nuclear fusion... say, sparked by cosmic rays? Perhaps the error in the original cold fusion experiment was a stray proton that hit the hydrogen in the palladium? Perhaps the crystal network of palladium hydride... would it be possible to make a FUSION chain reaction? How would it work if it were supercooled?

I have also been thinking about the N-body problem... I am probably very ignorant here... perhaps if, instead of tracking the motion of the bodies themselves, we tracked the motion of the centers of mass? Now I know that such a system has only ONE center of mass, but say we viewed it as each body having the force at any one instant pulling it in a different direction... the lines along these directions of force for each body don't all intersect at the same point if the bodies have different masses, do they?

Or never mind that... let's say there is for each body there is an equation of motion, that is a function of the initial positions, velocities, forces, etc. of each of the other bodies, and we can regard it as a virtual particle that the corresponding body is gravitationally drawn toward but that isn't gravitationally drawn toward said body itself, it would be some sort of tractrix equation?
And perhaps one would have to invent new laws of motion to describe the movement of these "virtual particles", one for each body, such that each body's motion can be traced as just a function of following that particle around and it will come out the same as if you worked out the physics through repeated Euler method and such to find out where each of the particles would wind up (I actually stumbled upon the Euler method while thinking of how this would work, without having studied it before; I was studying differential equations instead of the lower classes I was taking at the community college and I paid for it afterward) and well... maybe a generalized solution for the N-body problem in such a way? And it would require some laws that explain how the virtual particles move in relation to each other... maybe they would sort of fall down toward each other... sorry if this makes no sense...
Oct30-12, 03:28 PM   #21
 
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I just tended to not do a lot of homework. I got good grades in classes for which I possessed a sizable interest (science, math, politics), and not so good grades in classes for which I didn't (SPANISH, christian family values, world cultures etc.).

Anyways, sounds like you're a similar type of person. You didn't get fantastic grades in high school because you had a hard time focusing, but you had excellent test scores (it's because of my SAT scores that I got into a great college). So my question is: to which schools did you apply initially? I can gurantee that a 34 ACT can get you into a top 100 school like that. That is an excellent score, so I'm wondering why you went to community college, especially given the fact that people with learning disorders tend to DESPISE community colleges. The strucuture of CCs is terribly constructed for the needs of kids with ADD which is why I wasn't surprised at all when you said that you hated it.
Wow, this is remarkably similar to my experience in school! Especially high school.
Oct30-12, 03:51 PM   #22
 
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Wow, this is remarkably similar to my experience in school! Especially high school.
Oh is it? What kind of school did you wind up going to? I am going to try extension courses at the local university. I will have to take out a personal loan to pay for them though because you cannot get financial aid... That's the payoff for loopholing out of their stupid 60 credits transfer committment.

I looked at some graduate level chemistry assignments on MIT open courseware and they look challenging but doable for me, provided I have the textbook to clarify what the terminology is. I would probably only be competent so far at upper division undergrad physics and math though. Chemistry is oddly easier for me than math or even physics...
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Oh is it? What kind of school did you wind up going to? I am going to try extension courses at the local university. I will have to take out a personal loan to pay for them though because you cannot get financial aid... That's the payoff for loopholing out of their stupid 60 credits transfer committment.

I looked at some graduate level chemistry assignments on MIT open courseware and they look challenging but doable for me, provided I have the textbook to clarify what the terminology is. I would probably only be competent so far at upper division undergrad physics and math though. Chemistry is oddly easier for me than math or even physics...
Right now, I'm going to a local community/tech college for a A.S. transfer degree. I did try going to a university in Utah a couple of years back, but that was a disaster. However, I've got my feet under me this time and am doing well (as in probably-gonna-get-straight-A's-this-semester good).
Oct30-12, 04:22 PM   #24
 
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Right now, I'm going to a local community/tech college for a A.S. transfer degree. I did try going to a university in Utah a couple of years back, but that was a disaster. However, I've got my feet under me this time and am doing well (as in probably-gonna-get-straight-A's-this-semester good).
Oh so in your case the four year wasn't your style? I had an easier time there actually, but I still hated it because it was too small and easy. The community college on the other hand was so easy it was hard, as in hard to pay attention. They put too much emphasis on homework which for some reason overdrives my short term memory and shuts off my long term memory, and so I was in danger of getting straight B's. That is not good enough to transfer, especially when my transcripts came too late and I couldn't get a transfer admission guarantee... I really don't know how I went wrong, all I know is I flipped out and left under mutual agreement, and U have BJ intentions of giving them a second chance.

Lower division courses are no better than high school courses. The entire institution in fact operates under the assumption that everyone forgets everything they learned in high school. Not so for I, given my fantastic long term memory, so I intend in skipping out of such courses if possible.

I am curious, how was the four year school disastrous for you? Maybe a better four year uni would be more your style?
Oct30-12, 04:40 PM   #25
 
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Oh so in your case the four year wasn't your style? I had an easier time there actually, but I still hated it because it was too small and easy. The community college on the other hand was so easy it was hard, as in hard to pay attention. They put too much emphasis on homework which for some reason overdrives my short term memory and shuts off my long term memory, and so I was in danger of getting straight B's. That is not good enough to transfer, especially when my transcripts came too late and I couldn't get a transfer admission guarantee... I really don't know how I went wrong, all I know is I flipped out and left under mutual agreement, and U have BJ intentions of giving them a second chance.

Lower division courses are no better than high school courses. The entire institution in fact operates under the assumption that everyone forgets everything they learned in high school. Not so for I, given my fantastic long term memory, so I intend in skipping out of such courses if possible.

I am curious, how was the four year school disastrous for you? Maybe a better four year uni would be more your style?
Yeah, well I just found out I have Asperger's with a possible side of Manic Depression. I've been on meds now for a few months for anxiety and mood swings. Back in 2010, I had no help at all for these things. So, it wasn't so much the school itself as it was me. Actually, Weber State is a great school. It's a "teaching university", i.e. it's focus is on teaching the undergraduates and not research, and they take it seriously.

But yeah, the CC level is generally boooooring. I have a math prof who likes to intersperse a bit of higher mathematics in at times, and this helps. And my English prof is just crazy; she's a hoot to listen to. I don't have to try to pay attention in my English class at all. Plus, that class is super easy, because I've had a measured college reading level since the sixth grade. :P

I've found that the only way I can pay attention to math is to do math. I don't want to sit around all day hearing about it, but that's just me. In physics, I'm pretty much the opposite. I love to think about the concepts and then do the associated math.
Oct30-12, 05:17 PM   #26
 
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Yeah, well I just found out I have Asperger's with a possible side of Manic Depression. I've been on meds now for a few months for anxiety and mood swings. Back in 2010, I had no help at all for these things. So, it wasn't so much the school itself as it was me. Actually, Weber State is a great school. It's a "teaching university", i.e. it's focus is on teaching the undergraduates and not research, and they take it seriously.

But yeah, the CC level is generally boooooring. I have a math prof who likes to intersperse a bit of higher mathematics in at times, and this helps. And my English prof is just crazy; she's a hoot to listen to. I don't have to try to pay attention in my English class at all. Plus, that class is super easy, because I've had a measured college reading level since the sixth grade. :P

I've found that the only way I can pay attention to math is to do math. I don't want to sit around all day hearing about it, but that's just me. In physics, I'm pretty much the opposite. I love to think about the concepts and then do the associated math.
Oh well I've been diagnosed with Aspergers since I was eight years old, and ADHD for longer, and lately I've been exhibiting manic depressive symptoms myself (my mom is actually bipolar). I was unmedicated for many years though, again if you read back what I wrote about the cruel foster parent...

Since my little trip to the nuthouse I've been put on Wellbutrin, which helped at first but not much... And then I switched to Zoloft, which made me too calm and lazy and unable to feel a caffeine high and fake happy but still sometimes very depressed. And for a month I was also on Strattera but that was a nightmare, it not only made my ADHD worse but gave me unpredictable super rapid mood swings. I had strange unfamiliar emotions and thoughts and felt tense and anxious and confused most of the time... Then the side effects went away... And came back.

So now I am only on very small dose Adderall. I was on it as a kid, and did quite well on it, but they took me off because I refused to take the larger dose, it made me feel funny. 5 mg even today lasts all day for me. It actually does little if anything to help my focus (it makes me even more creative and hyper in the head I'm afraid!) But it makes my mood stable, I actually feel less depressed, and I feel more motivated to study and enjoy it more. Even though three quarters of the time I'm not studying so much as fighting my wandering thoughts, however relevant to the material they might be.

Yeah so you don't like lectures for math either? I really don't get that. How are you supposed to think with their yapping? I just need to solve the problems in my head (because I'm too lazy to use a calculator) while reading the book and I'm good. I'm studying PDE's now and I was I'm calc II back at the C.C. The teacher I had had a rep for being a tough grader; I think he flunked as many students as possible on purpose just so they would withdraw and he would have less work to grade.

Yes my school had very limited support services and I lost the documentation that showed I was disabled so they made the accommodations too late. What I REALLY needed was to be excused from the stupidass lectures. Oh and I had to be high on coffee just to tolerate a lab. I hate labs. I would cry for no reason during lab time.

English class, I had a college reading level at least since 8th grade, and a sixth grade reading level in kindergarten. I wasn't good at math until high school though. I don't know why they make us put up with such crap while special little rich children thy can't even spell get all the AP credit -_-
Oct30-12, 07:03 PM   #27
 
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Oh well I've been diagnosed with Aspergers since I was eight years old, and ADHD for longer, and lately I've been exhibiting manic depressive symptoms myself (my mom is actually bipolar). I was unmedicated for many years though, again if you read back what I wrote about the cruel foster parent...

Since my little trip to the nuthouse I've been put on Wellbutrin, which helped at first but not much... And then I switched to Zoloft, which made me too calm and lazy and unable to feel a caffeine high and fake happy but still sometimes very depressed. And for a month I was also on Strattera but that was a nightmare, it not only made my ADHD worse but gave me unpredictable super rapid mood swings. I had strange unfamiliar emotions and thoughts and felt tense and anxious and confused most of the time... Then the side effects went away... And came back.

So now I am only on very small dose Adderall. I was on it as a kid, and did quite well on it, but they took me off because I refused to take the larger dose, it made me feel funny. 5 mg even today lasts all day for me. It actually does little if anything to help my focus (it makes me even more creative and hyper in the head I'm afraid!) But it makes my mood stable, I actually feel less depressed, and I feel more motivated to study and enjoy it more. Even though three quarters of the time I'm not studying so much as fighting my wandering thoughts, however relevant to the material they might be.

Yeah so you don't like lectures for math either? I really don't get that. How are you supposed to think with their yapping? I just need to solve the problems in my head (because I'm too lazy to use a calculator) while reading the book and I'm good. I'm studying PDE's now and I was I'm calc II back at the C.C. The teacher I had had a rep for being a tough grader; I think he flunked as many students as possible on purpose just so they would withdraw and he would have less work to grade.

Yes my school had very limited support services and I lost the documentation that showed I was disabled so they made the accommodations too late. What I REALLY needed was to be excused from the stupidass lectures. Oh and I had to be high on coffee just to tolerate a lab. I hate labs. I would cry for no reason during lab time.

English class, I had a college reading level at least since 8th grade, and a sixth grade reading level in kindergarten. I wasn't good at math until high school though. I don't know why they make us put up with such crap while special little rich children thy can't even spell get all the AP credit -_-
What are the main differences between Aspergers and ADHD?

You should ask your psychiatrist to try out Vyvanse. It's adderral's new cousin. You will get less of the hype, its quite smooth throughout the day.
Oct30-12, 07:33 PM   #28
 
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What are the main differences between Aspergers and ADHD?

You should ask your psychiatrist to try out Vyvanse. It's adderral's new cousin. You will get less of the hype, its quite smooth throughout the day.
Asperger's is a autistic-spectrum syndrome, which makes it difficult to relate to others, pick up on emotional cues, and deal with change.
Oct30-12, 08:36 PM   #29
 
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Asperger's is a autistic-spectrum syndrome, which makes it difficult to relate to others, pick up on emotional cues, and deal with change.
Hmm, I see.

One of the side-effects of Asperger's may very well be success as

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histori...dered_autistic. It just depends on how it is used.

I have ADHD. Personally for me, its a blessing and a curse. But if I had to pick having ADHD or not then I would choose ADHD. I can imagine being an everyday citizen without it, how boring would that be! I would probably be studying to be a doctor or some other normal thing just to conform to society if I didn't have ADHD.
Oct30-12, 10:00 PM   #30
 
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What are the main differences between Aspergers and ADHD?

You should ask your psychiatrist to try out Vyvanse. It's adderral's new cousin. You will get less of the hype, its quite smooth throughout the day.
Oddly, I take Adderall INSTANT release and it IS very smooth throughout the day. I don't feel a spike in activity or attention or anything. It only lasts 4 hours for some people so I wonder how it lasts so long for me... oh and if I have an off day (which the psychiatrist recommends every week so I don't develop tolerance) my mood will be poor that day and the day after, like it takes a while to build up or something. It made my mood worse when I started it, and then after a while I got used to that effect and it made my mood better, but now it's like if I skip a day I have to reset my mood again. I'll ask about splitting a pill between two days instead of just skipping one...

Vyvanse I fear will be too slow-release for me, seeing that Adderall is unusually slow for me; however, after looking up the differences in effects between levo- and dextroamphetamine I find that the levo- enantiomer is noradrenergic while the dextro- enantiomer is dopaminergic, and my experience with Strattera suggests that I don't need any more norepinephrine; indeed, the slight noradrenergic effect of Adderall might be why I react badly to a larger than small dose. Vyvanse, on the other hand, only metabolizes into dextroamphetamine so it would have more selectively dopaminergic activity on me, and with less noradrenergic activity it might actually improve my concentration (recall that Strattera made my concentration worse, much worse, which suggests that the norepinephrine is making my concentration worse) and thus I would be able to take the optimum dose for the level of dopamine I need without overdoing it on the norepinephrine. Yes the conflict of dopamine versus norepinephrine activity would explain why I report that Adderall makes my concentration better and worse at the same time.

However, the slow action effect of Vyvanse makes me reconsider... either dissolve it in something that hydrolyzes the amphetamine from the lysine, or just get a prescription for Dexedrine instead... I am very curious as to what is so different/unique about my physiology that the Adderall has that kind of long slow effect on me? As a matter of fact I think my concentration is better in the evening though I take it in the morning.
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Oddly, I take Adderall INSTANT release and it IS very smooth throughout the day. I don't feel a spike in activity or attention or anything. It only lasts 4 hours for some people so I wonder how it lasts so long for me... oh and if I have an off day (which the psychiatrist recommends every week so I don't develop tolerance) my mood will be poor that day and the day after, like it takes a while to build up or something. It made my mood worse when I started it, and then after a while I got used to that effect and it made my mood better, but now it's like if I skip a day I have to reset my mood again. I'll ask about splitting a pill between two days instead of just skipping one...

Vyvanse I fear will be too slow-release for me, seeing that Adderall is unusually slow for me; however, after looking up the differences in effects between levo- and dextroamphetamine I find that the levo- enantiomer is noradrenergic while the dextro- enantiomer is dopaminergic, and my experience with Strattera suggests that I don't need any more norepinephrine; indeed, the slight noradrenergic effect of Adderall might be why I react badly to a larger than small dose. Vyvanse, on the other hand, only metabolizes into dextroamphetamine so it would have more selectively dopaminergic activity on me, and with less noradrenergic activity it might actually improve my concentration (recall that Strattera made my concentration worse, much worse, which suggests that the norepinephrine is making my concentration worse) and thus I would be able to take the optimum dose for the level of dopamine I need without overdoing it on the norepinephrine. Yes the conflict of dopamine versus norepinephrine activity would explain why I report that Adderall makes my concentration better and worse at the same time.

However, the slow action effect of Vyvanse makes me reconsider... either dissolve it in something that hydrolyzes the amphetamine from the lysine, or just get a prescription for Dexedrine instead... I am very curious as to what is so different/unique about my physiology that the Adderall has that kind of long slow effect on me? As a matter of fact I think my concentration is better in the evening though I take it in the morning.
What slow action effect of Vyvanse are you worried about exactly? Do you mean that it doesn't feel as intense as Adderall IR or because it can last up to 14 hours, which by the way is not a bad thing! Taken at the proper dosage, you should get similar affects to Adderall (minus the intense feeling) while it lasts much much longer.

Vyvanse isn't weak, see the reviews here.

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either dissolve it in something that hydrolyzes the amphetamine from the lysine, or just get a prescription for Dexedrine instead
Why would you want to do that? So that it effects you faster? Vyvanse should take you somewhere between 1 to 2 hours to kick in. Just take it first thing in the morning before your morning meal (you'll be fine) and it will kick in before your day starts.

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I am very curious as to what is so different/unique about my physiology that the Adderall has that kind of long slow effect on me? As a matter of fact I think my concentration is better in the evening though I take it in the morning
Could it be your diet? What do you eat in the morning as opposed to the afternoon? Adderall is drastically affected by your PH level, so if you have an acid breakfeast than it won't work well at all. You might be following it with a lunch that has more base than acid afterwards (before it is too late). There is an exact science behind this all but its really hard to break down because it isn't my field at all. I'll just give a quick quote from Wikipedia for the basics.

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Adderall's effects are similar to other CNS stimulants of the same class and preparation. (See amphetamine for details.)

Urinary and stomach pH levels can have a strong effect on DL-amphetamine excretion and absorption.[28] An acidic stomach and GI pH will decrease the absorption of Adderall,[12] and acidic urine levels will decrease the reabsorption of the drug through the renal system.[29] Co-administration of acidic substances (e.g., citric acid) causes decreased renal reabsorption of DL-amphetamine; whereas, alkaline agents (e.g., antacids) may cause a marked increase in renal tubular reabsorption. The increased reabsorption can increase the retention of amphetamines, with potential to result in dangerously high serum levels.[29]
You should note in contrast that Vyvanse isn't plagued by the same problem as this. Which leaves it with the potential to be much more potent in comparison to someone who usually has a lower PH level. However, the reabsorption of the Lisdexamfetamine is affected by your urine PH level, and that is what dictates how long the drug will last in your system. So if you want it to last the full 14 hours than you should have a more base filled diet, for lack of better words.
Oct31-12, 01:18 PM   #33
 
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I have also been thinking about the N-body problem... I am probably very ignorant here... perhaps if, instead of tracking the motion of the bodies themselves, we tracked the motion of the centers of mass? Now I know that such a system has only ONE center of mass, but say we viewed it as each body having the force at any one instant pulling it in a different direction... the lines along these directions of force for each body don't all intersect at the same point if the bodies have different masses, do they?

Or never mind that... let's say there is for each body there is an equation of motion, that is a function of the initial positions, velocities, forces, etc. of each of the other bodies, and we can regard it as a virtual particle that the corresponding body is gravitationally drawn toward but that isn't gravitationally drawn toward said body itself, it would be some sort of tractrix equation?

And perhaps one would have to invent new laws of motion to describe the movement of these "virtual particles", one for each body, such that each body's motion can be traced as just a function of following that particle around and it will come out the same as if you worked out the physics through repeated Euler method and such to find out where each of the particles would wind up (I actually stumbled upon the Euler method while thinking of how this would work, without having studied it before; I was studying differential equations instead of the lower classes I was taking at the community college and I paid for it afterward) and well... maybe a generalized solution for the N-body problem in such a way? And it would require some laws that explain how the virtual particles move in relation to each other... maybe they would sort of fall down toward each other... sorry if this makes no sense...
I'm lost after you started referring to them as virtual particles. I'm only an undergrad studying classical mechanics so I don't have any answers but just a couple of suggestions.

Start here to get the general idea behind it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-body_problem . It seems that the general method for the n body problem is an approximation, not quite using Euler's method but by taylor's expansion.

For starters, go to chapter 8 "Two-Body Central-Force Problems" from Taylor's Classical Mechanics book (very good book!). Study that chapter well then try to apply whatever creative method comes to mind. At this point, words are meaningless, the math will do the talking!! Your method has a very high change of being more complicated or maybe even not work at all, after all this problem has been around for centuries. But you will grow way more by being taking the wrong turns and applying your creativity than you do by just following the book.
Oct31-12, 01:55 PM   #34
 
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What slow action effect of Vyvanse are you worried about exactly? Do you mean that it doesn't feel as intense as Adderall IR or because it can last up to 14 hours, which by the way is not a bad thing! Taken at the proper dosage, you should get similar affects to Adderall (minus the intense feeling) while it lasts much much longer.

Vyvanse isn't weak, see the reviews here.



Why would you want to do that? So that it effects you faster? Vyvanse should take you somewhere between 1 to 2 hours to kick in. Just take it first thing in the morning before your morning meal (you'll be fine) and it will kick in before your day starts.



Could it be your diet? What do you eat in the morning as opposed to the afternoon? Adderall is drastically affected by your PH level, so if you have an acid breakfeast than it won't work well at all. You might be following it with a lunch that has more base than acid afterwards (before it is too late). There is an exact science behind this all but its really hard to break down because it isn't my field at all. I'll just give a quick quote from Wikipedia for the basics.



You should note in contrast that Vyvanse isn't plagued by the same problem as this. Which leaves it with the potential to be much more potent in comparison to someone who usually has a lower PH level. However, the reabsorption of the Lisdexamfetamine is affected by your urine PH level, and that is what dictates how long the drug will last in your system. So if you want it to last the full 14 hours than you should have a more base filled diet, for lack of better words.
No I mean instant release Adderall lasts longer and works slower for me than extended release Adderall world for other people, so I imagine Vyvanse will take a ridiculously long time to work. A 5 mg Adderall IR lasts for me ALL DAY and in fact is not very effective unless Ive been taking it for the past two days at least. I tend not to eat much in the mornings, usually just a cup of valerian tea (which is also needed to help my mood, see, it works like a mild mood stabilizer instead of putting me to sleep, in fact if I drink it before bed I stay up half the night with happy dreamy giddy thoughts.) If I do eat something its usually a smoked salmon croissant with cheese on it. The medicine has a powerful effect on my appetite, see, I dropped from 130 to 112 in two months. Other than that I eat mostly frozen yogurt with fresh fruit, sushi, cheese, chocolate, tuna pasta, and coffee because the caffeine helps my mood as well.

Like I said it improves my mood but my attention I'm not sure about, likely because of the norepinephrine.
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