Help With Conservation Of Energy Conceptby bobbles22 Tags: asteroid, con of energy, kinetic energy, potential energy 

#1
Dec1112, 09:02 PM

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Hi guys,
Can someone help explain something to me. In a situation of an asteroid heading straight towards the Earth, I'm trying to understand where the energy comes and goes (using just gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy). Consider the energy of the asteriod some distance away from the surface of the Earth, then just before impact. I'm using the following equations: Kinetic Energy = E_{k} = 0.5mv^{2} Gravitational Potential Energy = E_{g} = (GMm)/r My question is that, ignoring friction/sound etc, initially the asteroid has a certain speed and thus a certain kinetic energy, simple to work out. It also has a gravitational potential energy based on G and the masses involved and the separation. However, as it gets closer, the force from the Earth increased, as the separation 'r' off the objects decreases, the gravitational potential energy increases. At the same time, as the force on the asteroid increases, we expect the speed to increase so in effect, both E_{k} and E_{g} are both increasing. If both are increasing, then where is the energy coming from. Surely it should be E_{early} = E_{k} + E_{g} = E_{later} = E_{k} + E_{g} Can anyone give me a basic idea of where I'm going wrong with this idea please. Many thanks Bob 



#2
Dec1112, 09:15 PM

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Where you are going wrong is with your equation for Gravitational Potential Energy:
GPE = (GMm)/r See: Gravitational Potential Energy 



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Dec1112, 09:21 PM

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#4
Dec1112, 09:23 PM

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Help With Conservation Of Energy Concept
just a though to put out there ( Im not a maths guy )
you havent given an example of the size/mass of an asteroid for your calcs I would consider that the difference in size of say an asteroid up to ~ 1km across compared to the size of the earth, the gravitational PE may not be a large factor compared to the KE of the incoming asteroid. average incoming velocity of a meteor/asteroid ..... 30  40 km / sec acceleration due to gravity 9.81m/s^{2} .... big difference, orders of magnitude some one more knowledgeable than me will hopefully clarify more Dave 



#5
Dec1112, 09:28 PM

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Thanks Doc and JT
that gave me some insight too :) Dave 



#6
Dec1112, 09:53 PM

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It turns out that an object falling from infinity to the surface of the earth will reach a speed of about 11 km/sec; that's its gravitational potential energy being converted into kinetic energy. It's a lot. 


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