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Dec25-12, 05:01 PM   #154
 
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...I think the American Enterprise Institute has summed up the current state of the GOP quite correctly:
Ornstein and Mann are not the same thing as the American Enterprise Institute.
 
Dec25-12, 05:29 PM   #155
 
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.... the problem I mentioned with the GOP, ... The only reason they are opposed to any and all healthcare reform is because ....
Sen McCain 2008 health care plan, or pg 47 here.

Rep Ryan health care plan

Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) and Robert F. Bennett (R-Utah) health care plan
 
Dec25-12, 05:55 PM   #156
 
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People who don't have means don't deserve to live. It's relevant because that's your position on healthcare.
Please stick to stating your own opinion. Putting words into others' mouths is one way discussions here in P&WA go down the tubes.
 
Dec27-12, 06:34 PM   #157
 
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Reid says fiscal cliff dive likely
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/r...-politics.html

Pointing fingers doesn't help.

Meanwhile - Memphis mayor recommends feds, 'Do something!'
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/ec...s-do-something



Congress will apparently return on Sunday. Let's see what happens.
 
Dec28-12, 03:36 AM   #158
 
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Congress will apparently return on Sunday. Let's see what happens.
Could it be that they will heroically save the world from the problem they themselves created?
 
Dec28-12, 06:13 AM   #159
 
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Could it be that they will heroically save the world from the problem they themselves created?
Somehow, I don't see heroic.

. . . .
Absent a solution — or even a pathway to a bill — senators whiled away the hours without any agreement, debating and voting on amendments to a surveillance measure, pondering hurricane aid, and swearing in a new senator from Hawaii. Retiring senators, who had anticipated that their services would no longer be needed, worked in offices in varying states of disassembly, their staffs pecking out e-mails on iPads because their computers had been carted away.
. . . .
The Congressional impasse over how to avoid tax increases and spending cuts has left this entire city gripping Starbucks cups procured from Georgetown to Capitol Hill, bearing the message “come together,” to wait in low-grade misery for the next chapter in the drama. This would be Sunday night, when House members arrive, just ahead of New Year’s Eve at the summons of their leaders, who decided Thursday that they could not afford to be home killing time while Senate Democratic leaders took to C-Span to take shots at the absent House.

. . . .
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/28/us...scal-deal.html

They'll take it to the brink, and maybe drop over the edge.

Apparently the US government will reach the current debt ceiling, but then the Treasury can raid other funds ( ), which probably won't be repaid anytime soon, until Congress raises the debt ceiling yet again - and the nation goes deeper into debt.
 
Dec28-12, 11:53 AM   #160

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Could it be that they will heroically save the world from the problem they themselves created?
I expect they are mostly just counting the days to when they can stop having to pretend to understand economics, and get back to what all politicians like doing best: blaming each other for what happened.
 
Dec28-12, 04:34 PM   #161
 
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Monday morning will be interesting. I imagine the equities markets will pop up with a deal, and tank if there is no deal.

The last several days have been pretty volatile.
 
Dec28-12, 05:24 PM   #162
 
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Monday morning will be interesting. I imagine the equities markets will pop up with a deal, and tank if there is no deal.

The last several days have been pretty volatile.
I've been watching the markets, too, for clues into what's really happening. A couple weeks before Christmas they were going gangbusters, which I interpreted to mean there must be a back-room deal in the works.

Guess that was all just wishful thinking !
 
Dec28-12, 06:36 PM   #163
 
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Monday morning will be interesting. I imagine the equities markets will pop up with a deal, and tank if there is no deal.

The last several days have been pretty volatile.
I expect that anything that might be signed in the next week or two still won't be viewed favorably by the markets.
 
Dec28-12, 07:48 PM   #164
 
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I expect that anything that might be signed in the next week or two still won't be viewed favorably by the markets.
Monday could be a double whammy!

The U.S. Will Hit the Debt Ceiling on Monday
http://news.yahoo.com/u-hit-debt-cei...124731632.html


http://live.wsj.com/video/us-to-hit-...C-1FEF3867FA41
 
Dec28-12, 07:59 PM   #165
 
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Monday could be a double whammy!

The U.S. Will Hit the Debt Ceiling on Monday
http://news.yahoo.com/u-hit-debt-cei...124731632.html


http://live.wsj.com/video/us-to-hit-...C-1FEF3867FA41
Then the deficit has grown worse. Some months ago the next debt ceiling was not to be reached before late January.
 
Dec28-12, 08:22 PM   #166
 
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Then the deficit has grown worse. Some months ago the next debt ceiling was not to be reached before late January.
I wonder if that has to do with the supplemental bill for Hurricane Sandy.

Senate votes in favor of $60B Hurricane Sandy emergency-spending bill
By Ramsey Cox - 12/28/12
The Senate passed the emergency-spending bill for Hurricane Sandy relief efforts on Friday night.

The 62-32 vote came after the Senate worked all day Friday on amendments to H.R. 1, a vehicle to provide $60.4 billion to storm recovery efforts.

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http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-actio...-spending-bill
 
Dec28-12, 08:53 PM   #167
 
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I wonder if that has to do with the supplemental bill for Hurricane Sandy.

Senate votes in favor of $60B Hurricane Sandy emergency-spending bill...
That fits. The deficit is on the order of $90B/month.
 
Dec29-12, 07:47 AM   #168
 
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I wonder how many wealthy patients near death get life support removed on New Year's Eve. The fiscal cliff includes a pretty large change to estate taxes. Keeping a person alive for one or two more days could get very expensive.

The exemption drops from $5 million dollars to $1 million dollars and the rates increase to 55% for the amount above the exemption. For a person with an estate worth $3 million dollars, dying on New Year's Day instead of New Year's Eve could cost $1.1 million dollars.
 
Dec29-12, 12:30 PM   #169
 
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Wall Street Week Ahead: Cliff may be a fear, but debt ceiling much scarier
http://news.yahoo.com/wall-street-we...1--sector.html
(Reuters) - Investors fearing a stock market plunge - if the United States tumbles off the "fiscal cliff" next week - may want to relax.

But they should be scared if a few weeks later, Washington fails to reach a deal to increase the nation's debt ceiling because that raises the threat of a default, another credit downgrade and a panic in the financial markets.

. . . .
Except that Geitner, US Secy of Treasury, indicated that the US government would hit the debt ceiling on Mon - or maybe Tuesday.

Makes one wonder if anyone in Washington is paying attention.

At this point, I would expect debt ceiling as well as the tax law would be under discussion.
 
Dec29-12, 04:59 PM   #170
 
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Wall Street Week Ahead: Cliff may be a fear, but debt ceiling much scarier
http://news.yahoo.com/wall-street-we...1--sector.html
Except that Geitner, US Secy of Treasury, indicated that the US government would hit the debt ceiling on Mon - or maybe Tuesday.

Makes one wonder if anyone in Washington is paying attention.

At this point, I would expect debt ceiling as well as the tax law would be under discussion.
If the author is suggesting that we could go over the fiscal cliff and have congress go through another round of debate over the debt ceiling, I would doubt that very much. So soon after going over the "cliff" I doubt there would be much support at all to do it again. Then again, with politicians, you never know.
 
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