Game of Thrones is overrated


by Jow
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stargazer3
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Jan3-13, 03:13 AM
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Jow, Game of Thrones is indeed, as others said, targeted at people who like sex/drama/violence bundle. I am a great fan of the books, and I suggest you to read them, since they are so much more detailed and deep than the series that I just have to stop typing now and focus on TV adaptation. I can't say whether the show is underrated or not, since it's not that famous in my current country of residence, but as far as my own interest towards the series goes, the big selling points to me are:
(1) Historical realism. You could complain about women treated unequally in GoT, but I suspect that's the way it was in medieval Europe. The costumes are unique, and the last time I saw such an attention and creativity shown on screen was back it times when LotR came out. Of course, the "realistic" elements in the show go too far sometimes, but I think it's a good reminder to those who think of medieval Europe as of a place filled with noble knights and ladies like a jar of pickles. Sadly, the battle scenes are mostly missing due to budget limits, but they compensate it in the second season.
(2) Character depth. Ha, bet you didn't see this one coming! Come on, you've just watched a TV adaptation of a book in which 224 characters are given the right to speak. This is a TV season based on a book which is meant as a mere introduction to a (3) with (1). Please understand that you are comparing TV series to a book. Worse than that, you are comparing not-yet-finished TV series to a classic book and expect the same depth of character's inner world. You wouldn't get a lot of character development in the first part of The Great Expectations, right? Besides, G.R.R.Martin (the guy who writes the books) gets boring ones killed (as he did with Ned) or changes them radically later on in the books. Now as for your comparison to Dickens, if you start comparing the books, your point doesn't hold any more. I would call Tyrion Lannister as complex a character as any featured in Dickens novels. More to say, I suspect that the upcoming Great Expectations film would fail to intrigue me as much as GoT did.
(3) Sandbox world. I am quite a fan of fantasy setting, but A Game of Thrones (again, I start to refer to the book) took me by surprise with it's dynamic world. It is changing, and it seems to do so not by the will of the writer, but rather by evolving under unpredictable actions of both major and minor characters. After Game of Thrones, most of other fantasy novels seem predictable and dull.
I think I have to stop myself from typing now. Once again, I'm not saying that TV adaptation is not overrated, I just want to show that if sex and violence are not much to your taste, you still could find other stuff interesting.
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Jan3-13, 07:13 AM
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I like the book, with the lots of in-depth characters. :)
I skip the TV show... i dont want to throw up...
Jow
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Jan3-13, 09:14 AM
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stargazer3: I suspected that the books would be able to go far more in depth in terms of characters. However, I must disagree with you in your statement tha I wouldn't find a lot of character development in the first part of Great Expectations (although it is still a tad unjust comparing Game of Thrones to Dickens). I do find Tyrion Lanister complex, but he is an archetype: unloved by father, commitment issues. I think, though, I shall give the second season a try to see if it gets any better, but I still maintain the position that the show is overrated and for now the first season was not very good.
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Jan3-13, 01:27 PM
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Jow, some of the shallowness of the characters you perceive may be in part to die to the acting.

Doesn't anyone else find the acting to be banal? Even if you like the cannon? I always love hearing about cannons, but the stories within them are sometimes tedious if not told right (not dating anything about the books, btw).
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Jan3-13, 07:33 PM
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Quote Quote by Pythagorean View Post
Jow, some of the shallowness of the characters you perceive may be in part to die to the acting.

Doesn't anyone else find the acting to be banal? Even if you like the cannon? I always love hearing about cannons, but the stories within them are sometimes tedious if not told right (not dating anything about the books, btw).
Acting is always an easy thing to pick on. In a show with many actors, it's sometimes difficult to get them all right. I admit some portrayals in GoT are a bit...off. I suppose I just suspend disbelief.

Also, although cannons are fun, I'm not sure how relevant they are here. There is no gun powder in Game of Thrones...
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Jan4-13, 12:24 AM
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The thing that confuses me is why are you even giving the show so many chances if you don't like it? If you don't like it, I'd recommend you stop watching it.
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Jan4-13, 01:12 PM
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Quote Quote by Jack21222 View Post
The thing that confuses me is why are you even giving the show so many chances if you don't like it? If you don't like it, I'd recommend you stop watching it.
I always feel that before I really can say I don't like something I have to give it a proper chance. Really, at the moment, all I can say is I didn't like the first season. I have no opinion on the second season or the books. In fact, I read the entire Twilight series just so I could argue with my friend who loved it (I enjoy a good argument).
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Jan10-13, 08:27 AM
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I wouldn't call GoT "overrated"--I found it riveting and full of interesting story, with or without archetypical characters--but I agree with Jow that most of the sexual content amounts to "socially acceptable pornography". In my opinion, this is a negative thing. But to discuss this would be beyond the scope of these forums, neh? ;)
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Jan10-13, 08:29 AM
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I didn't read any of this thread, but I agree, the original poster should be banned for his blasphemy!!
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Jan10-13, 04:49 PM
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Quote Quote by Pengwuino View Post
I didn't read any of this thread, but I agree, the original poster should be banned for his blasphemy!!
If truth is what you call blasphemy :)
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Feb3-13, 06:33 AM
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Being blissfully unaware of Game of Thrones, it was without preconceptions that I watched all 20 HBO episodes last month over a four day period. This month, I bought the books and I'm currently into the fourth in the series.

The great virtue of the books is that they are "page turners", quite skillfully written and very entertaining. This has been carried over into the lavish TV productions, and they are incredibly entertaining, as well.

Being familiar with the Wars of the Roses, upon which the series is loosely based, I was initially put off by the zombies, shapeshifters, dragons and other aspects of magic and paranormality portrayed in the TV series. And I was also surprised about the full frontal nudity until I remembered this was a paid subscription cable production I was watching.

As to whether the productions are overrated, it must first be remarked that the books are bestsellers and the TV series seem wildly popular. Secondly, the values reflected in Game of Thrones are precisely those of our own culture and society. So the graphic sexuality, violence, lies, deception, betrayal, corruption, nepotism, eternal urge to power, control and self-aggrandizement, insane religions and super-naturalism are only an artful reflection of our own times and its agonies. So it would seem that if the series is overrated, then so is our own culture.

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Feb3-13, 12:21 PM
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I am much more a fan of Tolkien, LotR.

I didn't read the GoT, but I did watch a few episodes. The world didn't wrap me within it like the Lord of the Rings books and movies. So, I stopped watching it.

As to whether the productions are overrated, it must first be remarked that the books are bestsellers and the TV series seem wildly popular. Secondly, the values reflected in Game of Thrones are precisely those of our own culture and society. So the graphic sexuality, violence, lies, deception, betrayal, corruption, nepotism, eternal urge to power, control and self-aggrandizement, insane religions and super-naturalism are only an artful reflection of our own times and its agonies. So it would seem that if the series is overrated, then so is our own culture.
Much could be said with any other novel or movie out there, e.g. LoTR and Star Wars.

I believe the OP means that its story slacks off and is overrated as something that is good when it is not.

Sex is fine in my opinion, however, in this series, just too much. It feels more gratuitous for its own sake and doesn't evoke feeling when being presented to the viewer. It is empty, banal, and annoying, when sex should be used as a device that expands upon engulfing the viewer into the universe. If I want to watch a bunch of empty sex scenes, I have porn for that. When I want to see an actual story and world, I expect to see/read it and be able to immerse myself into it.



Other things I didn't like about it aside from too much sex is the lack of plot-building and rarely any character building. I felt the father [spoiler ]was killed off way too early just so the story can prove to the viewer it is "original". This killing of the father provokes the Northern kingdom to rebel but I don't even feel it as I never had much feeling for father in the first place due to the lack of character building. To me, he seemed more like fodder than anything else. Why would his death spark such outrage as to make a means for the kingdom to rebel? Of course we hear the reason, but hearing something is the cause isn't what a story should do, instead it should make you feel it as is supposed to be the intent of a story.

Making the "false" king so evil to his core is also unoriginal and annoyingly fake. Usually there is much more dimensions to such people in life and in stories; even though some child kings are brutal and immature, they usually have some salience of reason backed by their brutality. He is so 1-dimensional that he just brutalizes for no reason just so the writer can put some sense of moral obligation onto the viewer to hate the character. Instead of understanding his reasons, he is empty just like the sex scenes and is used to actually make up for a lack-luster story.

Seeing false king along with mother = bad people, we hate! Even Darth Vader made us have some feeling of remorse for his actions. I still believe Darth Vader is misunderstood to a certain extent and his life just proves how certain wrongs and actions taken in life can warp the outlook of a person. It can even make them delusional to a certain extent. This child King has no such outlook, he is more akin to a brat than anything else and such people used as emotional pronging devices just proves that the story is weak.
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Feb4-13, 04:35 PM
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Its got Dragons, Swords and a world of fantasy!! Good entertainment!! :)

Btw.

BRING BACK FIREFLY!!!
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Feb5-13, 07:59 AM
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Quote Quote by Mentalist View Post
Other things I didn't like about it aside from too much sex is the lack of plot-building and rarely any character building.
It's clear that you only watched a few episodes. There is plot building and character building in every episode. Some of the best fleshed-out characters are Daenerys, Tyrion, Jon, and Ayra. Sure, there are some cardboard characters, but this is a series with something like 30 major characters. If they took as much time with every character as they took with those four, there'd have to be thirty episodes per season rather than ten.
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Feb6-13, 01:56 PM
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For me, the dwarf character (Tyrion) is the highlight of the show. I don't think I would enjoy it half as much if not for him.
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Feb6-13, 02:31 PM
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Quote Quote by jbunniii View Post
For me, the dwarf character (Tyrion) is the highlight of the show. I don't think I would enjoy it half as much if not for him.
I like him too. The actor playing Tyrion would be Peter Dinklage, winner of the Emmy and Golden Globe Award for supporting actor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Dinklage

His character indeed does show development throughout the series, albeit of a certain moral ambivalence! (I'm between the 4th and 5th novel)

Respectfully,
Steve
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Feb6-13, 06:35 PM
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I agree with the way they use sex and nudity, but I find the show to be fairly entertaining. However after the draught of reality shows interrupted by sitcom it is not a big stretch to go a step up.

But even so the show is not put toegether cheaply and it tells.

But just out of curiosity, what show would you prefer to this one?
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Mar4-13, 06:33 PM
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You have to consider...much of what all of your points are actually appeals to the American public, but that's people for you. I'd suggest reading the novels if the show is too much for you, since I found them much more sophisticated if you really take a look at all the complex plots and strategies. As always, the movie/series can never really capture the essence or complexity of the literature.


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