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| Jan11-13, 05:22 PM | #1 |
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Dimensions of Science Fiction - Hard to Soft, Optimism to Pessimism
How hard is that SF? – Pharyngula mentions a survey that someone once did, asking people to rate various science-fiction movies on two dimensions.
Grading Science Fiction for Realism goes into gory detail about the "scientific" hard-vs.-soft dimension.
Arthur C. Clarke's stories are well on the hard side:
Isaac Asimov's stories are at least Firm, and I'd rate his robot stories Ultra Hard, unless one counts the robots' positronic brains. However, their positronic nature is not necessary for the stories. Turning to optimism vs. pessimism, Star Trek is notable for its optimism, for featuring a future where all of humanity and many other species can coexist and work together. I remember someone claiming that much of its competition features people on the run and being chased by various enemies. I'd also say that IA's Foundation and robot stories are also on the optimistic side. So how does your favorite science fiction rate along these dimensions? |
| Jan13-13, 11:24 PM | #2 |
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| Jan14-13, 12:20 AM | #3 |
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Yes, one can certainly imagine such a category.
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| Jan14-13, 12:54 AM | #4 |
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Dimensions of Science Fiction - Hard to Soft, Optimism to Pessimism
Looks like my favorite science fiction falls neatly into "medium". Niven and Herbert are probably my favorite authors. If I were to write my own scifi, I would have the most fun writing medium--introducing new physics that are not observed in real life, but don't break existing physics too badly.
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| Jan14-13, 01:02 AM | #5 |
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On the other extreme of optimism-pessimism is 1984. It's pessimistic in the extreme, to the point that it sometimes seems contrived.
By the realism classification, it's mostly present-day tech, inspired by Stalinism. Like Big Brother's mustache and Emmanuel Goldstein = Leon Trotsky. |
| Jan14-13, 01:34 AM | #6 |
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Another dimension that can be added is the coherence of the story world.
The realism classification in my OP seems have have two dimensions in it:
World incoherence:
The more imagined a story world is, the more difficult it can be to keep that world coherent. Thus the two dimensions together. |
| Jan16-13, 01:28 PM | #7 |
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Hmm. Examining modern Doctor Who, I'd have to classify RTD-era Doctor Who as "soft." Especially the fact that most aliens seem to be humanoid. And somewhat optimistic, as the Human race survives for a few hundred trillion years in some form. (Even though they were a gas species at one point.)
Moffat-era, I'd also have to classify as "soft," though the science fiction bits don't seem to be too central to the plot. Just aliens trying to take over Earth. |
| Jan16-13, 06:35 PM | #8 |
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I find the definition of ultra and very hard too soft. It doesn't sit with me that one step removed from present day technology there's a category that contains novels with genetically engineered humans living on Mars occasionally using self replicating robot factories.
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| Jan24-13, 12:24 AM | #9 |
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Very good point about the world coherence dimension, lpetrich! World coherence plays an important part for me in being able to enjoy scifi. Always frustrating when their own physics leaves them with huge plot holes...
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| Jan30-13, 08:50 PM | #10 |
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Half of Heinlein's books aren't even about science or science fiction. He has some other agenda (how to achieve a moral and responsible government in "Starship Troopers"; what's wrong with incest? in "If All Men Were Brothers, Would You Let One Marry Your Sister"; etc). Science fiction is just a genre that will sell, making it possible for him to spread some other message. "Friday" is a very good book that's probably firm, though. |
| Jan30-13, 09:11 PM | #11 |
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two short stories: Robert Sheckley - "Specialist" Theodore Sturgeon - "Widget Wadget and Boff" and Asimov's "The Gods Themselves" All 3 have psychological/sociological themes, so soft in OP above, and are optimistic, probably "firm" on realism. |
| Feb1-13, 02:06 AM | #12 |
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Big Brother's mustache could have come from just about anyone. It was a very common style in those days. Lord Kitchener had a famous one. Adolph Hitler wore that style in his youth. Even now you can find it in England. It's called the "walrus." The "Ignorance is Strength" platform has gained a lot of support in the US these days. |
| Mar29-13, 02:48 PM | #13 |
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Well when I write SciFi I start with a universe that would most likely be classified as Very Soft and transform it into a Medium. If I don't it will get on my nerves that I haven't, although sometimes I'll leave it as Soft or go as far as Firm.
The SciFi I like is mostly between Very Soft (as in Star Trek), and Medium (as in Dune according to this, although I would disagree with that overly hard analysis of the book). I prefer optimism to pessimism most of the time. I prefer sociological (so Star Trek I guess) to nuts-and-bolts. I don't like having a bunch of retconning but realism isn't necessarily necessary, coherence is good but once again not vital. |
| Mar29-13, 04:48 PM | #14 |
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ImaLooser, I think that there is good reason to think that George Orwell had Stalinism in mind. His personal history had given him good reason to dislike Stalinism, and he wrote a previous work that slammed Stalinism: Animal Farm.
In the 1930's, he had participated in the Spanish Civil War on the side of a Marxist faction that got attacked by another Marxist faction, one that was supported by the Soviet Union. That's the sort of behavior that inspired the Judean People's Front fighting the People's Front of Judea in Life of Brian. He eventually fled Spain, and during WWII, he wrote Animal Farm, which was an animal allegory about Soviet Communism. Old Major = Karl Marx, Snowball = Vladimir Lenin and Leon Trotsky, Napoleon = Joseph Stalin, etc. A notable feature of the Soviet Union back then was the writing of out-of-favor politicians and leaders out of the history books, and even painting them out of official pictures: NEWSEUM: The Commissar Vanishes. Leon Trotsky had been a leading Soviet revolutionary, but during the Stalin years, he was officially a nobody, even to being painted out of pictures where he appeared with Lenin and others. After Stalin died, his successors did that to him also, barely mentioning him and stating that his big problem was his cult of personality. Nazi Germany was not nearly as noted for such rewrites of history. George Orwell included some rewriting of history in Animal Farm, like Snowball being changed from a great leader to a traitor. Turning to 1984, the story's central character is someone whose job is to rewrite history. Oceania was always at war with Eurasia. Oceania was always at war with Eastasia. Oceania was always at war with Eurasia. Oceania was always at war with Eastasia. ... So to me, that's a clear link with Stalinism. |
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