The 'integration by change of variable' theorem

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The discussion centers around the 'integration by change of variable' theorem, specifically examining the necessity of the condition that g([c,d]) is a subset of [a,b]. Participants explore theoretical implications, provide examples, and question the assumptions underlying the theorem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of the condition g([c,d]) being a subset of [a,b], suggesting that as long as g(c) = a and g(d) = b, it should suffice.
  • Another participant provides a counterexample using specific functions to illustrate that omitting the subset condition could lead to incorrect results.
  • A different participant points out that the example provided does not satisfy the endpoints condition, as g(1) does not equal 1.
  • One participant draws a parallel to the definition of a line integral in complex analysis, suggesting that the parametrization does not matter as long as the start and end points are correct.
  • A participant notes that a source (Mathworld) does not mention the subset condition in its statement of the theorem, implying that it may not be necessary.
  • Another participant proposes a simplified case where the function g(x) has a maximum point and discusses how the integral can still be evaluated, although they caution that this is not a proof for the general case and highlight potential issues with convergence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of the subset condition, with some arguing it is essential while others believe it may not be required. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific functions and examples that may depend on particular assumptions about continuity and behavior over the intervals in question. The implications of these examples are not fully resolved, leaving open questions about the general applicability of the theorem.

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In my analysis textbook, the 'integration by change of variable' theorem reads

"Theorem: Consider f a continuous fonction on [a,b], g a continuous function on [c,d] such that g' is continuous on [c,d]. If g([c,d]) is a subset of [a,b] and if g(c) = a and g(d) = b, then

[tex]\int_a^b f(x)dx = \int_c^d f(g(t))g'(t)dt[/tex]


But reading the proof, I nowhere see the need for g([c,d]) being a subset of [a,b]. Is this really necessary? As long as g(c) = a and g(d) = b, it should be alright, no?
 
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No. Suppose a is 0, b= 1, and g(x) is the function g(x)= 8x(1-x)= 8x- 8x2. To make it simple, suppose f is the constant function f(x)= 1.

Then g'(x)= 8- 16x and the theorem, without that requirement, would assert that
[tex]\int_0^1dx= 1= \int_0^1(8- 16x)dx= 0![/tex]
 
But you use [0,1] has your interval [c,d]. And while g(0) = 0, g(1) does not equal 1. It's 0 too.
 
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*bump*

Yes, I'm still curious about this also. It looks like the definition of a line integral in complex analysis:

If

[tex]\int_{\gamma}f(z)dz=\int_a^bf(g(t))g'(t)dt[/tex]

...g(t) is the function for the parametrization of the curve.

right? And in this case, we know that the parametrization does not matter: as long as you start and end at the correct points.

(Also, forgive my LaTeX!)
 
It makes sense that it shouldn't matter. Think of a very simple case where g(x) on [c,d] has a single maximal point at c<m<d and say g(c)<g(d)<g(m). So there is a c1, c< c1 < m such that g(c1)=g(d). So since this is a simple case we'll say g([c,c1]) is a subset of [g(c),g(d)]. So
[tex]\int_{g(c)}^{g(d)} f(x) dx = \int_c^{c1} g'(x)g(x)dx[/tex] and
[tex]\int_{c1}^m g'(x)g(x)dx = \int_{g(c1)}^{g(m)} f(x) dx = -\int_{g(m)}^{g(c1)} f(x) dx=- \int_{m}^d g'(x)g(x)dx[/tex]
So the sum cancels out nicely.

Remember this is a simplified case and in no way am I saying this is a proof for the general case. You can have infinite oscillations so that you are dealing with an infinite sum with no guarantee (from me at least) that it will converge where you want it to.
 

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