Is consciousness completely unpredictable?

Amp1

Rade,

...Be careful, these are two different terms--related but not identical.

Thanks for the pull up, I mean 'CONSCIOUS'.

Third, I do not agree that the "it" that you extend outward can be called "conscience awareness" as you suggest. I hold that your extended "it" is first an unconscious entanglement of physical wavefunctions of that which exists as an extended object [O] forming union with that which exists as an object with a power of perception [P] derived from the uncounscious. Thus, I view your extended "it" as a neutral monism of two objects [O+P] and this superposition is given to your mind via the unconscious by a process we term "perception" (e.g. a group of sensations automatically retained but not known), then filtered (at the time scale of milli-sec), and then given to what you call "conscience awareness" During sleep, the unconscious deconstructs many differ types of [O+P] objects, attempts many random new arrangments of the [O]s....Oa, Ob, Oc, etc. If you "wake" during this process of unconscious integration, your conscious faculty can be "aware" of many strange things indeed created by the unconscious--but, this is also a process with potential for great creativity, for out of the random may emerge order, a flow of new and potentially useful information from unconscious to conscious. Sorry if this is so abstract, but your question is abstract.

I think I understand what you are saying - that [O] and [P] mesh/intergrate to create our perspective or our view of life.

During sleep the making and remaking of new and different connections of ideas and thoughts likely do occur probably as dreams but I'm refering to a sense of being and existence while I sleep quite apart from the assimulation and reevaluation of the previous days stimuli.

In the book 'Schordingers Cat'(spelling) it is pointed out that energy is in the form of wave functions that upon being observed by an observer collaspe to form the matter or event they see.

BOT, consciousness is predictable in that everyone who is alive reacts to being living in one way or another. The reactions and actions themselves may be unpredictable.

*PIT2*

Quote by Rade

This is not what QM concludes

--QM does not conclude that the moon does not in reality exist until some human came along in the universe--you cannot use QM to claim that "awareness" is more fundamental than "matter".

Maybe not necessarily a human observer, but there is an interpretation of QM in which consciousness causes the collapse of the wavefunction:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpr...ntum_mechanics
(scroll down two-thirds of the page and look at the green/pink table).
For this to work, it would have to be a universal consciousness i believe, as opposed to multiple seperate consciousnesses.

In that case, i think consciousness is more fundamental than matter, in the sense that it causes it to exist.

I feel conscience of a central location within my body in my head that I conceive of as being my Mind however it extends out beyond my physical body into space to a degree and I label that my awareness or conscience awareness but when I sleep I’m only aware of the inner sense of being or conscience in sleep of mind . This quality appears to be intangible so that I think it is reasonable to assert that it isn’t matter, perhaps an energy field or something else, I don’t even pretend to know. My question to you is if this is something you sense/feel would it qualify as the object Pit2 seeks in your opinion? Pit2, what you do you think?

It depends on what it is. My main thought behind the topic was more like what would happen if the entire universe dissappeared (or shrunk as if u were travelling at lightspeed) and all that is left is consciousness. How would it behave in a place with nothing else?

Amp1

Ok, that question to my thinking touches on theology. If there is a God, it would have had to have exsted during a period where there was nothing - no time, energy, matter or thought (sensation?). It would have to posses volition and consiousness of its volition. Now I wonder why it did what it did.

Rade

Quote by PIT2

Maybe not necessarily a human observer, but there is an interpretation of QM in which consciousness causes the collapse of the wavefunction:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpr...ntum_mechanics
(scroll down two-thirds of the page and look at the green/pink table).
For this to work, it would have to be a universal consciousness i believe, as opposed to multiple separate consciousnesses.

Thank you for the link. Here is what it says:
Consciousness causes collapse
Consciousness causes collapse is the speculative theory that observation by a conscious observer is responsible for the wavefunction collapse. It is an attempt to solve the Wigner's friend paradox by simply stating that collapse occurs at the first "conscious" observer. Supporters claim this is not a revival of substance dualism, since (in a ramification of this view) consciousness and objects are entangled and cannot be considered as distinct. The consciousness causes collapse theory can be considered as a speculative appendage to almost any interpretation of quantum mechanics and most physicists reject it as unverifiable and introducing unnecessary elements into physics.
Now, it would appear that this interpretation of QM (if one really can consider it a valid interpretation) is not widely held. But, note that even if it turns out to be true, it does not support your OP because this view holds that consciousness and objects are entangled--but your OP hypothesis puts consciousness outside of matter (or objects) not entangled with it.

*PIT2*

Quote by Rade

But, note that even if it turns out to be true, it does not support your OP because this view holds that consciousness and objects are entangled--but your OP hypothesis puts consciousness outside of matter (or objects) not entangled with it.

Remember i did not say 'outside' of matter, but more fundamental than. Is this not the case when consciousness causes the wavefunction to collapse?

Amp1

In a way, you could be saying matter is imprinted on consciousness.

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Amp1	Ok, that question to my thinking touches on theology. If there is a God, it would have had to have exsted during a period where there was nothing - no time, energy, matter or thought (sensation?). It would have to posses volition and consiousness of its volition. Now I wonder why it did what it did.