Is This Thermodynamics Engine Claim Viable for Investment?

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The discussion revolves around the viability of an inventor's claim regarding a thermodynamic engine's efficiency and its potential for investment. The problem involves calculating the efficiency of the engine based on given heat inputs and outputs at specific temperatures.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of maximum efficiency using Carnot's theorem and compare it to the hypothetical engine's efficiency. Questions arise regarding the validity of the engine's claimed performance and the feasibility of the temperature conditions.

Discussion Status

Some participants affirm the approach taken in calculating efficiency, while others express skepticism about the claims made by the inventor. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the calculated efficiencies and the practical considerations of the engine's operation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of finding a suitable reservoir for the engine's heat rejection, which raises questions about the practicality of the engine's design and operation.

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Ok, my question is as follows:

An inventor claims to have developed an engine that takes in 10^8 J (Q_in) at a temperature of 400 K (T_2), and rejects 4x10^7 J (Q_out) to a reservoir of Temperatue of 200 K (T_1). The engine delivers 15 kilowatt hours of mechanical work (which = 3600 sec/hour *15 * 10^3 watts = 5.4x10^6 Joules). Would you advise investing money to put this engine on the market?

the way i approached it was to calculate the max efficiency that a carnot engine would have, which is:

efficiency = 1 - T_1/T_2 = 1 - 200/400 = 0.5 or 50%​

Now, using the expression,
Efficiency = Work output/Heat input​
for the hypothetical engine gives. This gave me an efficiency of roughly 54%, and by Carnot's theorem, no engine can be more efficient than a carnot engine, or:

Efficiency(carnot) > Efficiency(hypothetical)​
and in this case, it doesn't hold, i.e.:
50 % > 54 % is not true.​

Is this the correct way to do this problem?
Thanks
 
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I didn't check your number crunching, but you've approached the problem correctly.
 
Thanks very much
 
ChronicQuantumAddict said:
Ok, my question is as follows:
An inventor claims to have developed an engine that takes in 10^8 J (Q_in) at a temperature of 400 K (T_2), and rejects 4x10^7 J (Q_out) to a reservoir of Temperatue of 200 K (T_1). The engine delivers 15 kilowatt hours of mechanical work (which = 3600 sec/hour *15 * 10^3 watts = 5.4x10^6 Joules). Would you advise investing money to put this engine on the market?
So what is your answer and why?

My reason for not investing (besides the fact that the claim cannot be true as you have shown) would be: where are you going to find a reservoir to output at -73C?

AM
 

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