Can quaternions be used to simplify Maxwell's equations?

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The discussion centers on the potential use of quaternions to simplify Maxwell's equations, exploring the mathematical formulation and implications of such an approach. Participants examine the representation of physical equations using quaternions, particularly in the context of special relativity.

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  • One participant proposes that quaternions can represent the 4-dimensionality and metric used in special relativity, defining quaternions and their properties.
  • The same participant presents a formulation of Maxwell's equations using quaternions, suggesting that they can reduce to wave equations under certain conditions.
  • Another participant raises a concern regarding the interpretation of quaternion functions and differential operators, noting that the order of operations matters in quaternion algebra.
  • A subsequent reply acknowledges the concern about the non-commutativity of quaternions, suggesting that the expressions for dot and cross products may not hold without additional definitions.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of using quaternions in this context, with some supporting the approach while others highlight potential issues with non-commutativity and the definitions involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effectiveness of the proposed quaternion formulations.

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There are limitations related to the assumptions made about quaternion algebra and the applicability of standard vector operations in this framework. The discussion does not resolve these issues.

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This thread is the sequel to my other thread, 'Quaternions and SR'.
My goal is to write some physical equations with quaternions.
Because I think quaternions represent the 4-dimensionality and metric used in special relativity. See:
A quaternion is a generalized complex number:
[tex] A = a_t + ia_x + ja_y + ka_z[/tex]
with the fundamental equation
[tex] i^2 = j^2 = k^2 = ijk = -1.[/tex]
Quaternions are not commutative, for instance
[tex] ij = -ji = k.[/tex]
Let's define
[tex] A_3 = ia_x + ja_y + ka_z[/tex]
and the dot and cross products as usual for 3-vectors, then the product of two quaternions is
[tex] AB = a_tb_t + a_tB_3 + A_3b_t - A_3 \cdot B_3 + A_3 \times B_3.[/tex]
Thus,
[tex] \frac{1}{2}(AB - BA) = A_3 \times B_3[/tex]
and
[tex] \frac{1}{2}(AB + BA) = a_tb_t + a_tB_3 + A_3b_t - A_3 \cdot B_3.[/tex]
Let's define the commutator
[tex] \left[A,B\right] = \frac{1}{2}(AB - BA)[/tex]
and the anticommutator
[tex] \left<A,B\right> = \frac{1}{2}(AB + BA).[/tex]
Now for physics. Let's define the differential operator
[tex] \nabla = \frac{\partial}{\partial t} + i \frac{\partial}{\partial x} + j \frac{\partial}{\partial y} + k \frac{\partial}{\partial z}.[/tex]
Then Maxwell's equations can be written
1. Coulomb's law: [tex] \left<\nabla, E\right> = \nabla_tE - 4\pi J_0 [/tex]
2. Ampere's law: [tex] \left[\nabla, B\right] = \nabla_tE + 4\pi J_3 [/tex]
3. Faraday's law: [tex] \left[\nabla, E\right] = -\nabla_tB [/tex]
4. No magnetic monopoles: [tex] \left<\nabla, B\right> = \nabla_tB. [/tex]
Now if we use a vector potental written as a quaternion A, which satisfies Lorentz's condition
[tex] \nabla_t a_t - \nabla_3 \cdot A_3 = 0[/tex]
and let
[tex] E = -\frac{1}{2}\left<\nabla,A\right>[/tex]
[tex] B = \frac{1}{2}\left[\nabla,A\right][/tex]
then Maxwell's equations reduce nicely to two wave equations:
[tex] 4 \pi J = \frac{1}{2}\left<\nabla^2,A\right>[/tex]
[tex] \nabla_t B = \frac{1}{2}\left[\nabla^2,A\right].[/tex]
That's my result so far. Any comments?
 
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I know what you mean, but taking things literally, [itex]\nabla A[/itex] is a quaternion function, but [itex]A \nabla[/itex] is a differential operator. Looking at individual pieces, then for instance, [itex]x (\partial / \partial x) \neq (\partial / \partial x) x[/itex]
 
Hurkyl,
yes they look like differential operators, but that's no problem. If you analyze my formulae, you'll see:
[tex] B\nabla = \nabla_t(B-E) - 4 \pi J_3[/tex]
and
[tex] E\nabla = \nabla_t(B+E) - 4 \pi J_0.[/tex]
Similarly for [itex]A\nabla[/itex] and [itex]A\nabla^2[/itex].
 
"No problem"? - I must have been blind!
Hurkyl, I think you pointed out the weak spot.
Of course, the expressions for dot and cross products don't work if the vectors themselves don't commute.
Maybe that can be repaired with extra definitions... but probably it won't be so elegant...
 

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