Calculating Vertical Components in Ski-Jump Slopes

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The discussion revolves around mechanics, specifically focusing on the behavior of a particle attached to an elastic string and the dynamics of a ski-jump slope. Participants are exploring concepts related to energy conservation, forces, and motion in these contexts.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the work-energy theorem to analyze the motion of a particle attached to an elastic string, questioning the conditions under which the string becomes slack and the particle comes to rest. They also explore the vertical motion of a jumper leaving a ski slope, raising concerns about the application of kinematic equations leading to complex numbers.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, offering suggestions to reconsider the application of energy principles and clarifying the conditions of the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions made regarding forces and motion in both scenarios.

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Participants are discussing the implications of friction in the first problem and the correct interpretation of vertical motion equations in the second problem. There is a mention of potential confusion regarding signs in the equations of motion.

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Hi, I'm just doing my Applied Maths h/worl at the mo which is pretty much just mechnics and I was hoping someone here could give me a hand. I think my problem here is more a case of my brain shutting down early for rimbo as opposed to the h/work being difficult so here I go...

The first problem I'm having is this one-

One end of an elestic string of natura; length l and modulus lambda is fixed to a point O on a rough horizontal table (its 'spring constant' is k/lambda). The other end is attached to a particle P of mass m. The system is released from rest with P lying on the table and the distance OP being 2l. If lambda=3mg and u (coefficient of friction)=1 between the table and the particle, show that-
a) the dtring eventually becomes slack
b)the particle comes to rest at a distance l/2 from O.

For part a I've been using the work energy theorum because if at B (a distance l from O, as in at the natural length), the velocity is greater than 0 then the particle will keep on moving so the string will become slack. so I'm using KE+PE at P minus KE+PE at B= work done my the frictional force. So at P we'd only have PE since it's at rest and is it true that at B we'd only have KE since the particle would be at the string's natural lenth therefore the string wouldn't be strectched in anyway? I've got work done by the frictional force as -mgl which I'm assuming is ok. My problem is hat I am end up with my velocity at B to be the square root of 5gl, which I have a feeling is wrong because for part b I'm not getting the ansewet to be l/2. For part b I'm using rhe fact that there's no tension so only friction acts to slow the particle down so I'm using the eqt of motion v^2=u^2+2as, but I'm getting 5l/2 out of this. Can anyone shed any lioght on this for me?

The next one is just short. If we have a ski-jump slope and the jumper goes off the bottom of it moving horitzonally, how do you work out the verticla components? I've got u=0, a=g and s=-h (of h is the hgith above the ground when taking off). However if you put that into an ewqt of motion you end up with a complex number so what is going wrong?

Claire
 
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Originally posted by Claire84
For part b I'm using rhe fact that there's no tension so only friction acts to slow the particle down so I'm using the eqt of motion v^2=u^2+2as, but I'm getting 5l/2 out of this. Can anyone shed any lioght on this for me?
Use the "work-energy" theorem for part b as well. Initial energy is spring potential energy (KE = 0); at final position, energy = 0.
If we have a ski-jump slope and the jumper goes off the bottom of it moving horitzonally, how do you work out the verticla components? I've got u=0, a=g and s=-h (of h is the hgith above the ground when taking off). However if you put that into an ewqt of motion you end up with a complex number so what is going wrong?
What are you trying to find? The speed of the jumper after going down a hill of height h? (If so, assume no friction: energy is conserved.) Not sure what you mean by "vertical components".
 
If I was trying to find time by resolving vertically at he end of the ski slope. Like if I were resolving horizontaly there'd be no acceleration etc.
 
Originally posted by Claire84
If I was trying to find time by resolving vertically at he end of the ski slope. Like if I were resolving horizontaly there'd be no acceleration etc.
Time of what? I still don't know what the problem is.
 
Time taken for the jumper to reach the ground after taking off horizontally from the ski-slope.
 
Now I see what you are doing.

Originally posted by Claire84

I've got u=0, a=g and s=-h (of h is the hgith above the ground when taking off). However if you put that into an ewqt of motion you end up with a complex number so what is going wrong?
If down is negative, then the acceleration is -g. That should fix your problem.
 

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