Hilsch Tube: Separating Isotopes & Refining U235?

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The discussion centers on the potential use of the Hilsch tube for isotope separation, specifically the refinement of U235 from natural uranium. Participants explore the theoretical and practical implications of using this device compared to established methods like centrifuges.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the Hilsch tube's mechanism and its historical context as a challenge to thermodynamics.
  • Another participant notes that centrifuges are currently used for uranium enrichment but are sensitive and costly due to their high-speed operation.
  • A participant points out that the Hilsch tube has no moving parts aside from pumps, suggesting a potential advantage over centrifuges.
  • One reply claims that the Hilsch tube can work for isotope separation and references a source stating that South Africans have attempted this method, though there are claims of better technologies available.
  • A participant expresses interest in the idea of using vortex tubes for separation, particularly in scenarios where advanced technology is not accessible.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effectiveness of the Hilsch tube for isotope separation. While some express optimism about its potential, others reference existing technologies and question its practicality.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the efficiency and effectiveness of the Hilsch tube compared to centrifuges, as well as the specific conditions under which it might be viable for isotope separation.

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The Hilsch tube is not often mentioned anymore. It is a T-shaped arrangement of three tubes. A gas is led in through the stem of the T. Vanes inside use centrifugal force to direct the faster moving molecules to one side, where the exit tube is bigger, and the slower ones to the thinner tube on the other side. In practice you can easily feel the difference in temperature of the two outputs.

Originally the Hilsch tube was presented as a challenge to thermodynamics, like Maxwell's demon. It has been successfully explained, although I don't now remember what the explanation was.

My question is this: Could the Hilsch tube be used to separate isotopes of the same element? Not to put too fine a point on it, could it be used to refine U235 from natural Uranium? Could anyone figure out how it would compare to other methods of doing this?
 
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Centrifuges are used to enrich Uranium, that is increase the U235 fraction, so that it can be used more efficiently in reactors, or even bombs.
 
Yes thanks, mathman. I new that. But apparently centrifuges for uranium separation are sensitive and costly because of their high speed. The Hilsch tube has no moving parts (aside from pumps).
 
Yes, it works.

http://www.metalworking-forum.com/metalworking/hilsch_vortex_tubes_454906.html

Somebody on this thread says the south africans did it. He says there are cheaper and more effective ways when better technology is available.

I don't know if he's right that it doesn't work very well, but the south african reference at least gives a place to look.
 
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Thanks for the reference. I'm glad that someone tried the idea of using vortex tubes for separation! As for the "if technology is available", I was thinking of cases where technology wasn't available.
 

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