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Apr2-06, 01:56 AM
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Recurring decimals in prime fractions
When I write out the decimal expansion of  where  is a prime, it is always a recurring decimal with a period  . I was thinking why inverting a prime number should always give a recurring decimal but could not think of a reason other than it has to be something to do with our base 10 system of counting.
Some prime reciprocals, such as 1/7, 1/17, and 1/19 have periods which is one less that the prime. That is,  for some primes. And in fact, for all primes  ,  . These are all interesting but there is something which I cant seem to explain.
Take the prime 11. Then the period of 1/11 is 2. Take some other prime p. Then
so long as  .
After looking at 1/11, I started looking at other prime reciprocals, hoping to find other relationships between the periods of 1/p, 1/q and 1/pq. Unfortunately, the only thing I could find was that
whenever  and the period of 1/p is odd.
I was hoping for a nice clean relationship between 1/p,1/q, and 1/pq but I could not find one at all. So I tried checking the web and again, noone seems to have found any relationships. So I came here. If anyone has seen, or done any work on comparing periods of different prime reciprocals, could you please share your knowledge.
Cheers.
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Apr2-06, 09:02 AM
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These, and the relation you want for 1/pq, can be explained by the relation between the period of 1/n and the order of 10 mod n (you're interested in the case gcd(10,n)=1 here, though the other case is worth looking at).
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Take the prime 11. Then the period of 1/11 is 2. Take some other prime p. Then

so long as .
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This isn't true, the period of 1/7 is 6, the period of 1/77 is also 6.
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infinity? This can't be true either, it will always be finite as 1/pq is a rational number, and hence its decimal either terminates or repeats.
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Apr3-06, 08:35 AM
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Posted by Shmoe
These, and the relation you want for 1/pq, can be explained by the relation between the period of 1/n and the order of 10 mod n (you're interested in the case gcd(10,n)=1 here, though the other case is worth looking at).
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What is n here? Does n = pq?
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Apr3-06, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Oxymoron
What is n here? Does n = pq?
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Sure, if you like. It doesn't have to be the product of 2 primes though, there's a nice relation between the period of a number n with gcd(10,n)=1 and the order of 10 mod n.
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Apr3-06, 09:02 AM
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Posted by Shmoe
Sure, if you like. It doesn't have to be the product of 2 primes though, there's a nice relation between the period of a number n with gcd(10,n)=1 and the order of 10 mod n.
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That got me thinking...
The period of 1/p is the order of 10(mod p) right? so we have a congruence relation:
The period of 1/q is the order of 10(mod q). So:
And the period of 1/pq is the order of 10(mod pq). So:
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Apr3-06, 09:21 AM
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No matter what prime p we take, p is always relatively prime to 10 (since p has no divisors anyway). Take a prime. Then suppose that p divides  , that is,  for some integer  . Then
If our integer  for decimal digits  , then the decimal expansion of 1/p will be
which will repeat with a period that will always divide r.
Then the period of 1/p is the smallest r such that p divides 10^r-1. In other words, the period of 1/p is the smallest d such that
But this is the definition of  .
So the period of 1/p is the order of 10(mod p).
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Apr3-06, 09:25 AM
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Which should mean that
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Apr3-06, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Oxymoron
Which should mean that

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Should be the order of 10 mod pq, not p+q. Now do you know how to find the oder of 10 mod pq from the orders mod p and mod q?
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Apr3-06, 09:57 AM
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Posted by Shmoe
Should be the order of 10 mod pq, not p+q. Now do you know how to find the oder of 10 mod pq from the orders mod p and mod q?
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Of course, pq, nor p+q, I dont know why I wrote that.
I think I may know, although I kind of jumped at that conclusion without properly running through it.
is the order of 10(mod pq). If you let n = pq (although I may now understand what you mean by this, n can be any integer so long as it is relatively prime to 10?) then
which is equal to the order of 10(mod n) = 10(mod pq). Which is the same thing as
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Apr3-06, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Oxymoron
(although I may now understand what you mean by this, n can be any integer so long as it is relatively prime to 10?)
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Yes. If it's not relatively prime, then it's a terminating decimal.
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Remember th 1/7 and 1/11 example? The period of 1/11 was 2, the period of 1/7 was 6, the period of 1/77 was 6, so it's not the product of the periods.
Try a few more examples to see if you can spot a relationship. You might want to think in terms of the order of 10 mod p and q here. Specifically if r is the order of 10 mod p and 10^t=1 mod p then r divides t. Also, if 10^t=1 mod pq then 10^t=1 mod p.
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Apr3-06, 10:09 AM
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Suppose the order of 10 mod 7*17 is t. Then 10^t=1 mod 7*17. So we have both:
10^t=1 mod 7
10^t=1 mod 17
What does this tell you about t compared to 6 and 16 (the orders of 10 mod 7 and 17).
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Apr3-06, 10:50 AM
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But surely t cant take on two values at the same time?
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Apr3-06, 10:55 AM
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So 7 divides t-1 and 17 divides t-1. So 6 divides t and 16 divides t. So t=48 works but t=48 = lcm(6,16).
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Apr3-06, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Oxymoron
So 7 divides t-1 and 17 divides t-1.
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Nope. You maybe mistyped?
Originally Posted by Oxymoron
So 6 divides t and 16 divides t.
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Which shows lcm(6,16) divides t. You should also be able to show t divides lcm(6,16), then you'd have equality. Of course showing 10^48=1 mod 7*17 directly would work as well, but you can prove this lcm relation in general.
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Apr3-06, 11:08 AM
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Nope. You maybe mistyped?
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Yeah, I meant to write
7 divides 10^t - 1 and 17 divides 10^t -1
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6 divides 10^t and 16 divides 10^t
which just comes from the definition of
and
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