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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the ion Ne9+, specifically focusing on its hydrogen-like energy levels and the Balmer series. Participants are exploring the relationships between atomic structure and energy transitions in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to determine the factor by which the energies of Ne9+ levels exceed those of hydrogen, referencing the Bohr model and the atomic number of neon. Questions arise regarding the application of formulas and the transitions relevant to the Balmer series.

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Some participants have provided equations and attempted calculations, while others are questioning the correctness of their approaches and the units being used. There is an ongoing exploration of the necessary constants and conversions needed for the calculations.

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There is a mention of potential confusion regarding units, particularly between Joules and electronvolts, which may affect the calculations being discussed.

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I could use some assistance! - thanks:smile:

Question:
Atoms can be ionized by thermal collisions at very high temperatures. One such ion is Ne9+, a neon atom with only a single electron.

(a) By what factor are the energies of its hydrogen-like levels greater than those of hydrogen?

(b) What is the wavelength of the first line in this ion's Balmer series?

(I'm aware of this equation, I'm just not sure how to apply it to this question.)
 
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mirella said:
I could use some assistance! - thanks:smile:

Question:
Atoms can be ionized by thermal collisions at very high temperatures. One such ion is Ne9+, a neon atom with only a single electron.

(a) By what factor are the energies of its hydrogen-like levels greater than those of hydrogen?
In the Bohr model, how does the electron's energy depend on the charge of the nucleus (Ze)? What is the Z for Ne9+?

(b) What is the wavelength of the first line in this ion's Balmer series?
Once you get a), b) follows from the Bohr formula.

AM
 
You need to show some work.

mirella said:
(a) By what factor are the energies of its hydrogen-like levels greater than those of hydrogen?

It seems like you should have a formula for this. If not, perhaps you're expected to use the Bohr model. What is the atomic number of Neon?


(b) What is the wavelength of the first line in this ion's Balmer series?

Which transition does this correspond to?
 
for a) is just the atomic # squared 10^2= 100

for b) I have the equation:

hc/lambda=(Z^2)*(13.6eV) (1/2sq - 1/3sq)

where Z=10

...but it doesn't turn out right, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong
 
mirella said:
for a) is just the atomic # squared 10^2= 100

for b) I have the equation:

hc/lambda=(Z^2)*(13.6eV) (1/2sq - 1/3sq)

where Z=10

...but it doesn't turn out right, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong
What number do you get? What value are you using for h?
 
h = 6.63*10^-34 (a constant right?)

to solve for lambda i get: 1.05*10^-27
 
mirella said:
h = 6.63*10^-34 (a constant right?)

to solve for lambda i get: 1.05*10^-27
This is what I thought the problem was... you are mixing units! This h in in Joule-second. But the energy you get in in electronvolts. So you have two choices: either you convert the right hand side bacin Joules (by multiplying your energy in eV by 1.602x10^(-19)) or you use the value of h in eV-second.

Pat
 
ahh.. thank you kind sir :)

-ali
 

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