Understanding Oscillator Circuits: Effects of Adding a Second Coil at 90 Degrees

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The discussion revolves around the effects of adding a second coil at 90 degrees to an existing inductor in oscillator circuits. Participants explore the implications of this configuration on induction, resonant frequency, and circuit behavior, particularly in the context of AC signals and potential experimental outcomes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Jason O, questions the induction effects on a second coil wrapped at 90 degrees around a solenoid carrying an AC sine wave, seeking insights on its impact on oscillator operation and resonant frequency.
  • Another participant mentions a related experiment where a small coil wrapped around a lamp cord produced pulsed DC, although this was not done with coils at right angles.
  • A different participant asserts that if the second coil is positioned carefully, there would be no flux coupling, but suggests that some coupling could occur if the coil is pushed inward and tilted.
  • It is noted that if coils are parallel, they can interact, while perpendicular coils cannot link their magnetic fluxes effectively.

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Participants express differing views on the induction effects and the nature of coupling between the coils. There is no consensus on the outcomes of the configurations discussed, and the implications of the experiments remain unresolved.

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Participants mention various assumptions regarding coil positioning and the nature of the signals involved, but these assumptions are not fully explored or validated within the discussion.

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Hello everyone,

In my continuing pursuit of understanding of oscillator circuits, I came up with this question and was wondering if anyone here could give me some insight on this. I drew a picture to help me explain the idea but I would like to know what would happen if you have an inductor (air core solenoid for example) and you wrap a second coil around the first coil at 90 degrees to it. If the solenoid coil has an AC sine wave signal put through it, would the second coil experience induction in the same way as normal? If this solenoid coil were part of an oscillator, how would the presence of this second coil effect its operation (Particularly if a load is placed on it)? Would it change the resonant frequency of the oscillator circuit or simply dampen it?? I heard of someone who did a similar experiment and they say the second inductor produces pulsed DC... not sure though. Any help would be appreciated :-).

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Jason O
 

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Ohh one other note, the original experimenter who got the pulsed DC did not use coils at right angles, he took some small gauge wire and wrapped it around a lamp cord. He then ran a sine wave through the small coil and registered pulsed DC coming out of the lamp cord.
 
No, there would not be any flux coupling if the windings were done carefully. However, if the 2nd coil were pushed in a bit toward the center of the big coil (in your 2nd sketch), and the windings were tilted a bit, then I think you could get some net flux coupling. I don't know what your friend with the lamp cord was seeing, but it almost certainly wasn't from magnetic coupling. Lamp cord has both conductors in it, so wrapping a coil around both will not induce anything differential. He maybe got some capacitive coupling, or had an instrumentation problem.
 
If the coils are parallel, engineers always like to say they are talking to each other.


If they are perpendicular, then the fluxes can't link together.
 
Hmmmm interesting. Thanks for the information :-).
 

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