What temperature should a bottle be heated to for 1/4th of the gas to leave?

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The discussion revolves around determining the temperature to which a gas in an open-mouthed bottle at 60 degrees Celsius should be heated in order for one-fourth of the gas to escape. The problem involves concepts from thermodynamics and the ideal gas law.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between temperature and gas behavior, particularly how increasing temperature affects molecular energy and intermolecular forces. There are discussions about using the ideal gas law (PV=nRT) and different approaches to conceptualize the problem, such as considering volume expansion or changes in the number of gas molecules.

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Several participants have provided insights and different perspectives on how to approach the problem, including potential methods for relating temperature changes to gas behavior. There is an ongoing exploration of assumptions regarding volume and the number of moles of gas, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants note that the volume and number of moles of gas are not provided, which complicates the calculation of the required temperature. There is also a mention of potential confusion regarding the interpretation of volume changes in relation to the problem.

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Sir,
An open mouthed bottle contains a gas at 60 degree Celsius. To what temperature should the bottle be heated so that ¼th of the mass of the gas may leave?
I think that by increasing the temperature the gas molecules gain enough energy to overcome the intermolecular forces of attraction. But I don’t know how to relate them mathematically. Please help.
 
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Amith2006 said:
Sir,
An open mouthed bottle contains a gas at 60 degree Celsius. To what temperature should the bottle be heated so that ¼th of the mass of the gas may leave?
I think that by increasing the temperature the gas molecules gain enough energy to overcome the intermolecular forces of attraction. But I don’t know how to relate them mathematically. Please help.
PV=nRT

AM
 
Amith2006 said:
Sir,
An open mouthed bottle contains a gas at 60 degree Celsius. To what temperature should the bottle be heated so that ¼th of the mass of the gas may leave?
I think that by increasing the temperature the gas molecules gain enough energy to overcome the intermolecular forces of attraction. But I don’t know how to relate them mathematically. Please help.

The volume and the number of moles of the gas are not given. How to calculate the temperature?
 
Amith2006 said:
The volume and the number of moles of the gas are not given. How to calculate the temperature?
PV=nRT

There are two ways to approach this. Consider it as equivalent to a volume expansion to 4/3 of the original volume, 1/4 of which is outside the bottle, or consider it as a loss of 1/4 of the number of molecules from a fixed volume.

P is constant. R is constant. In the latter case, V is constant and nf is 3/4 of ni. So how must T change if PV = nRT still holds? In the former case, n is constant but Vf = 4Vi/3. Again, work out how T must change in order for the ideal gas law to hold?

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
PV=nRT

There are two ways to approach this. Consider it as equivalent to a volume expansion to 4/3 of the original volume,
I think AM meant to say 5/4, not 4/3.

Edit: In light of subsequent posts, please disregard the above line.
 
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Gokul43201 said:
I think AM meant to say 5/4, not 4/3.
Actually, I meant 4/3. I originally thought 5/4 but changed it. The volume expanding to 4/3 original volume leaves 3/4 of the original gas in the bottle.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
Actually, I meant 4/3. I originally thought 5/4 but changed it. The volume expanding to 4/3 original volume leaves 3/4 of the original gas in the bottle.

AM
Yes, that's right...I take that back. The answer is clearly 4/3. As for an approach to solve the problem, I find making V -> 4V/3 less intuitive than making n -> 3n/4 (at fixed V, and ignoring the escaped gas). Nevertheless, by the first approach, my error was in forgetting about the thermal expansion of the escaped gas (by a factor of 4/3).
 

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