What is the speed of the planes on Great Six Flags Air Racer?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of planes on the Great Six Flags Air Racer, which involves analyzing forces acting on the planes as they move in a circular path at a bank angle of 56 degrees. The problem includes elements of centripetal force and gravitational force, as well as the geometry of the situation.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between gravitational force and centripetal force, questioning how to apply Newton's second law (F=ma) to the scenario. There are discussions about drawing force diagrams and setting up equations based on the components of tension in the support chains.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem by considering the forces involved and suggesting the use of trigonometric relationships. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the distinction between angular and linear speed.

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Participants express confusion about the setup and calculations, particularly regarding the tension in the chains and the relationship between angular velocity and linear speed. There is a mention of bypassing certain calculations, indicating varying levels of understanding among participants.

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Passengers riding in the Great Six Flags Air Racer are spun around a tall steel tower. At top speed the planes fly at a 56 degree bank approximately 46m from the tower. In this position the support chains make an angle of 56 degrees with the vertical. Calculate the speed of the planes.
 
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Can you determine the tension in the chains?
 
How? and what do I do then?
 
Originally posted by tandoorichicken
How? and what do I do then?
Consider the forces acting on the plane and apply F=ma.
 
I am so lost.

So there is gravity, and there is also centripetal force right?
 
Originally posted by tandoorichicken
So there is gravity, and there is also centripetal force right?
The forces on the plane are gravity and the tension in the chain. The plane is centripetally accelerated. Apply F=ma to the vertical and horizontal components of the forces.
 
Draw a picture showing the chain out to the seats at a 56 degree angle. The tension force, T, is along the hypotenuse of that right triangle. The vertical component, T sin 56 degrees;, must offset the weight so it must be mg. The horizontal component, T cos 56 degrees, is Rω2.
 
Okay, I think I got it all figured out, and I managed to completely bypass figuring the tension in the chain. Can someone please check my work?

I drew a right triangle with the top angle as 56 degrees, the bottom leg centripetal force and the side leg force of gravity. Then I set up [itex]\tan 56 = \frac{m\omega^2 r}{m g}[/itex]. The m's cancel and when you solve for [itex]\omega[/itex], you get [itex]\omega = \sqrt{\frac{g\tan 56}{r}}[/itex] = 0.562 rad/sec. Does that make sense?
 
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Okay, I think I got it all figured out, and I managed to completely bypass figuring the tension in the chain. Can someone please check my work?
I'm not sure I understand your reasoning with the triangles, but [itex]\omega = \sqrt{\frac{g\tan 56}{r}}[/itex] is correct. The problem asks for speed, which I presume means linear speed not angular; but [itex]v=r\omega[/itex].

I would solve it like so:

(vertical forces) Tcos(56)=mg
(horizontal forces) Tsin(56)=mv2/r

Dividing gives you: tan(56) = v2/rg, etc.
 

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